[Ravensfort] BOD Ruling

HerrDetlef herrdetlef at gmail.com
Thu Oct 20 16:13:21 PDT 2011

Historical Precedent? Who here has read Gregory of Tours' "History of the
Franks"? The Kingdom of the Franks often had three or even more kings at one
time. There was no such thing as primogeniture, and sometimes the throne
past to more than one of the previous king's (or kings') sons. Okay, I can't
think of any names right now, but there it is.

Who was the Frankish king who married Radegund the Thuringian princess? He
and his brothers shared the royal dignity.

And then there's the example I've already heard several times of Henry II
naming his son Henry (the Young King) king in his own lifetime. For a few
years (until the Young King's untimely death), England was ruled by two


And then there's the story of the fragmentation of German
principalities....so that we ended up with Dukes of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, Dukes
of Saxe-Meiningen, Dukes of Saxe-Weimar, Dukes of Saxe-Altenburg....etc.,
etc. etc. The fragmentation continues even after the abolition of the German
Empire--how many reining princes of Reuss von Plauen do we currently have?

These were not same-sex couples, but there is a period justification for a
kingdom having two kings (or two queens) at one time. And, for that matter,
the concept of sexual orientation isn't period (a 19th century construct),
so there really is no such thing as gay men or gay women in the Society. I
think. Is this how it works?

Sez I.

Detlef von Marburg, ASCA, ORW

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Darlene Burns <annescvb at gmail.com> wrote:

> Here's a bit of history trivia for you and more food for thought. I and my
> best friend, Caitlin, put our hats in the ring for the Stargate baronial
> seats in the early 90's. Neither of us are lesbian and we were not in a
> lesbian relationship but the crown at the time, dear friends of ours, said
> that they wouldn't consider us because there was "no historical precedence."
>  I'm wondering when some sort of ruling about same gender came in because
> *that* was not the issue at all. When 30 minutes at the library gave me 8
> solid references of 2 women together ruling at the baronial level and higher
> in SCA period, the crown relented and we were interviewed. We were not
> chosen but really didn't expect to be. All of the women co-rulers were
> either mother/daughter pairs or sister/sister pairs. Caitlin and I are
> sisters-in-household and so fit that part historically just fine.
> So if there was no gender ruling on baronial seats in the early 90's when
> *did* the ruling come about and was it instituted in part because of what
> Cait and I attempted to do back then?
>  On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Lemoine Beers <loco.cerveza at gmail.com>wrote:
>>  Here id something of interest
>> http://www.scatoday.net/node/21565
>> Later
>> Lemoine de Gascony MKA"L.D. Beers" loco.cerveza at gmail.com
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