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<DIV>Kief,</DIV>
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<DIV>This is totally off the top of my head, so subject to some error, but,
you've just lined up three court baronies, a don, a former landed
noble, three thistles, an Iris of Merit, four Sable Cranes, four
Baronial service awards, and probably 30 event stewards combined and eluded
to some conspired, organized, wrongful act they've perpetuated. It's just
not so. These people just want to hold on to something they've built, it's
as simple as that.</DIV>
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<DIV>I have no idea what you are referring to. If Dave and Dominique
really know what this big "wrong doing" is, they have never discussed it
with me. You and Doug? For god's sake, you are the one who can't let
it go. And it looks as if your hatred is growing. Can't you see how
that one, single dispute has grown from two people to three? Then
four, five, six.... and we're still going.</DIV>
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<DIV>And now I risk getting kicked off the list (again) just for offering a
solution. Just great! If that happens, fine, but there are probably
fifty people, for that matter an entire Kingdom, out there who'd like to
know answers to "what the heck is going on here", myself included, so that seems
like "on topic" business to me. If I get booted, then it's straight
up censorship, and that answers for its self. </DIV>
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<DIV>This is the absolute best forum we have available for working things out,
otherwise the person to person rumors out-pace the collective group's
opportunities for interaction. Soon as we take it offline, we're right
back into the same 'paranoia' and 'secretive dealings' scenario that drive the
hostilities. When I ran the RF list, yer right, it wasn't pretty, but
it was open, things did get resolved. To squash an avenue of speech only
leads to greater distrust.</DIV>
<DIV><BR>Maybe if we agree to some ground rules for a nice, constructive
exchange of information, then we can use this list as the forum for working out
whatever this 'problem' is. I'm in for it. You know me, I've always
done my level best to find compromise in any argument. Yea, sometimes I'll
push an issue, but it's always with the intent of finding a resolution. I
hate conflict, but will not run from it. I think we share that
commonality.<BR><BR>So, assuming you and I, the moderator, and everyone involved
can agree to discuss this one topic, which is, I think,
the notion that those you name have some secret agenda, then I say we
should. It would be a start, 'cause what we're doing now for sure isn't
working and I don't see you ever conceding to sit down in a room and talk with
us, at least with Marius there.</DIV>
<DIV><BR>Now, could be that the 'wrongful acts' you speak of really, really,
really do need to kept private. That's cool. The only incident I can
think of from four years ago that involves the four people you
mention has serious implications for Lorraine. That's not the world's
business. Maybe some offline discussion will settle to whole thing.
Me and you might end up holding hands and skipping off into the sunset after one
exchange of email. If not at least we did the honorable thing and
tried. You know I won't back down and I know you won't back down.
That is actually a good thing. 'Cause we do respect each other, I
think.<BR></DIV>
<DIV>Sorry Mel, boot if you have to. If we do agree to this, you'll be
caught in the middle a bit, but ground rules for decency should be
acceptable. Right? Constructive argument? Get some issues
qualified, as opposed to this "ACK!" "ACK!" "ACK!" stuff that nobody can
interpret. Friggin' Martians! :) I suggest we first figure out
what the question even is and agree on it, before any discussions begin.
Or, as an alternative, we create an entire separate list, a closed list, but one
that is open to the parties involved. Invite some outside moderators
in. For that matter, invite the Crown in. I got nothing to
hide. I don't know what will work at this point, but without some public
scrutiny we risk making things worse, so in the end, I say we come to terms and
report back to the world.</DIV>
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<DIV>You know, Kief, it just boggles my mind. I never knew we were "bitter
enemies" until just recently and that came from a fourth party rumor.
Sure, you and I could sit down at a table and work things out, I'm certain
of it, but unless it's worked out in the arena of a public forum, the resolution
will never make it to the fringes of the Kingdom, where it needs to go, or be
universally understood. Over time, those fringe influences,
misconceptions and such will inevitably creep back in and take hold.
And, of course, you and I are just two pieces of a bigger puzzle. Settling
our differences would help, but what's required must be a collective
solution. Here's my olive branch.</DIV>
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<DIV>Amusing, that sounds like a good idea for a baronial order. The
Raven's Fort Peace Corp. Yer only accepted in if you've settled
differences and moved on.... Our official drink would have to be
Martini's. Neither stirred or shaken.... :)</DIV>
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