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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">----- Original Message ----<BR>From: Kief av Kiersted <sirkief@hotmail.com><BR>To: byzytym <byzytym@att.net>; ravensfort@lists.ansteorra.org<BR>Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 11:26:13 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [Ravensfort] site rules<BR><BR>
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Heilsa all...<BR><BR>Your "Deep Apology" accepted. Although your "outrage" was clearly false and without basis...<BR><BR>However, the law is clear, as is the SCA's policy on alcohol.<BR><BR>No one may sell any type of alcohol through any means including the buying of ingredients, pre-sales, post-sales, or on-the-spot sales. These are all clear attempts at an "end run" around Federal and/or State regulations.<BR><BR>Now if you want to give it away...please do. No money can change hands...period, in any way, shape, or form.<BR><BR>The SCA does deal directly with the land owners...I am a member of the SCA and the local landowner that approached the Dorrell and Rohe families about the SCA using their ranch as an event site back in 1987. You didn't even play with Raven's Fort back then.<BR><BR>The efforts of the Brewers Guild can certainly be "displayed" in private campsites as part of a revel as well as a part of an A&S display.<BR><BR>No
taverns.<BR><BR>The "Kiersted Mead Hall" is part of a private campsite and not a tavern.<BR><BR>Leaving a fire burning in the old "Tavern" during a period of dryness and high winds, with witnesses to the fact, is not "<FONT face="Times New Roman">...for fabricated infractions</FONT>"...get over it.<BR><BR>What is sad is the fact that you are still trying to "rule" the Barony from behind the scenes...whereas I have moved on and have largely forgotten about all of this...until you bring it all up again...<BR><BR>Have a great day...I shall... I am also really looking forward to this year's Defender of the Fort, it's shaping up to be an excellent event.<BR><BR><BR>Wæs Þu Hæl in TroÞ and FriÞ...!<BR>Sir Arenvald Kief af Kiersted, Baron Raven's Fort, OP, Lion, Augmentation of Arms<BR>"Better the Hammer than the nail..."<BR><BR><BR>
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From: byzytym@att.net<BR>To: byzytym@att.net; ravensfort@lists.ansteorra.org<BR>Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:35:53 -0500<BR>Subject: Re: [Ravensfort] site rules<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">To everyone that reads this list,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">This was a momentary laps on my part. My apologies were sent almost immediately to our Seneschal, our Baron and our Baroness. Now I give my deep apologize to everyone else. My complaint was worded badly and I missed the point that I was trying to make. My sincere apologizes for the disturbance. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">I have not been in the Raven's Fort Brewers Guild for several years now. However, the hard work that these people do is a major part of what drives this Barony forward. We don't have many heavy or light fighters, we don't dance, we don't even travel to other events very much. We do cook and brew, we do have a few strong artisans and we do have a new college group. All of these things that this barony excels in are nurtured by the very cluster of devoted long timers that are panelized most by the arbitrary site rules. The Brewers Guild is the most active guild in the Barony of Raven's Fort, hands down. To say that they can not display their talents at an event that is specifically designed for that reason is beyond reason. </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"> It's one thing to dictate safety rules and land
damage control, but it is another thing to set SCA event policy. Either say no alcohol or say the site is wet. Deciding who and when alcohol is to be served at an SCA event is jurisdiction of the SCA. It is still my greatest hope that our local craftsmen will be allowed to present the fruits of their research at Defender of the Fort.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">Again, please excuse my clumsy outrage.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Pax,</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT face=Andy size=3>MARIVS</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT face="Times New Roman">"what shall it profit a man,</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT face="Times New Roman">if he shall gain the whole world,</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT face="Times New Roman">and lose his own soul ?"</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228); FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A title=byzytym@att.net href="mailto:byzytym@att.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:byzytym@att.net">byzytym</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=byzytym@att.net href="mailto:byzytym@att.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:byzytym@att.net">byzytym</A> ; <A title=ravensfort@lists.ansteorra.org href="mailto:ravensfort@lists.ansteorra.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:ravensfort@lists.ansteorra.org">ravensfort@lists.ansteorra.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:37 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Ravensfort] site rules</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">I would like to make a statement strictly as an individual and a long time member of the Barony of Raven's Fort. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">I feel that the land agent over stepped reason when making up his arbitrary rules when it comes to on site taverns. The rules seem to be directed at specific individuals for personal reasons, rather than to correct any problems that has arisen in the past or any breach of SCA or mundane law or any request that the land owners themselves have made. Of course, we have no way to know the desires of the land owners since the SCA has never been allowed to deal directly with the land owners. The imbalance of the site rule policy is notably demonstrated by the fact that in the same period of time: the old Raven's Fort Tavern was forcibly evicted (for fabricated infractions) by the land agent, the current site rules were issued by the land agent and the on site "Mead Hall" was built by the land agent. I will not presume to suggest a solution to this dilemma of
secrecy and whim. Perhaps the officers of the Barony can facilitate a return to a fair site policy that embraces the true spirit of our society. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">That said, the Autocrat of the Defender of the Fort event shall enforce what ever is handed up from the site rule dictator no matter how calculated. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Pax,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Andy size=3>MARIVS</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">"what shall it profit a man,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">if he shall gain the whole world,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">and lose his own soul ?"</FONT></DIV></DIV></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></div><br>
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