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<DIV>Would you spell out FRP please ? </DIV>
<DIV>Michelle suggested plastic sheets as well, but I didn't mention it because
of the drawbacks. </DIV>
<DIV>Both fiberglass and plastic breakdown and get brittle in the sun after a
few years. </DIV>
<DIV>The stress of moving the showers could crack an old panel...
especially in cold weather.</DIV>
<DIV>If it fades or scratches it could start looking pretty
bad. It is hard to get paint to sick to it in long range terms.
It peels after a few years and has to be completely scraped off.
That can be a nasty job.</DIV>
<DIV>Ten pounds a sheet is still heavy compared to thin sheet metal, but not
overly.</DIV>
<DIV>How much is the cost of a 4x8 sheet. Can we get larger sheets that
cover an entire side ?</DIV>
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<DIV>I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just trying to look at all sides
of suggested materials. </DIV>
<DIV>Wood is too heavy, expensive and rots after a few years</DIV>
<DIV>Fiberglass or Plastic becomes brittle in the sun and does not like
paint.</DIV>
<DIV>Metal rust.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>What ever we use should be light weight and be able to withstand being
loaded onto a trailer and moved to a different site if need be. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In service,</DIV>
<DIV>Vlod NotVlad</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=byzytym@att.net
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=rfofficers@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:rfofficers@yahoogroups.com">rfofficers@yahoogroups.com</A> ; <A
title=ravensfort@lists.ansteorra.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, October 12, 2008 2:15
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Ravensfort] showers / Re:
[rfofficers] Gundy's Find</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 12:06 PM, byzytym <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:byzytym@att.net">byzytym@att.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>Speaking of events... we need to sit down and look at plans for the new
shower walls. The first weekend in April will be here before we know
it.</DIV>
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<DIV>Having Autocrated at The Stones and therefore maintained the showers
more than anyone else and also being the person that has filled the water
barrels more than anyone else, I would like to give my input, for what
it is worth. Whatever we decided, I will be happy to lend a hand in
reconstruction.</DIV>
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<DIV>I really like Saint David's idea to use metal for the walls. It
should be cheaper and should never have to be replaced in our life
time. ( Something that should appeal to the financial
committee.) We could bring the metal almost to the ground and not have
to worry about rot. Rust can be dealt with by using a good
quality rust repair paint. They are remarkable now adays.
They actually convert the compound of the rust and bonds it to the
metal. Also the showers will be lighter and so easier to
move around if need be. That is especially important if we are
planning to use an alternate primitive site. The old wood was so
heavy we had to remove it before we could relocate the showers to DSD's
for repair. Marine grade plywood is very heavy and very
expensive. The bulky 2x6 wood frame work could be eliminated all
together. A small amount of door frame wood would be good to keep soft
naked bodies away from sharp edges. That could be installed so that
the metal would not have to be removed to change the wood. If we do
decide to use metal, a design improvement would be in line.
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<DIV>Anyone else got any suggestions
??</DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>Actually, yes, I do have a suggestion.
Steel is the right choice for the frame, no question there, but how about FRP
panels for the walls? Much, much lighter (under 10 lb for 4x8 ft. if I
remember right), a good bit cheaper, no rust, and easier to work with. I've
used it in some commercial construction projects I've been involved in and
it's easy enough to cut with a fine tooth blade in a circular saw. This is NOT
the translucent stuff used for carports and similar in place of corrugated
steel. It's flat, usually with some kind of molded texture on one side, and
opaque white. Scuff it with 100 grit sandpaper on a random orbital sander and
latex paint sticks great. To attach it to the frame we just drill 1/4" holes
and use 1/4-20 screws and fender washers. I suggest tapping holes in the frame
so there aren't any nuts or ends of screws sticking out the inside to snag
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