<div>I actually thought the populace meeting WAS a business meeting.</div>
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<div>Back in the day when we had a strong contingent in Cleveland, we had one populace meeting there every month, at the public library there. One in Huntsville on the first Thursday, then one in Cleveland on the third Thursday. Both populace meetings, both business meetings. Not everybody went to both, but quite a few people did. If officers need to discuss things privately, is there not an officer's list like this one? Closed doors only result in hurt feelings. </div>
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<div>If anything, the populace meeting should be considered an officers meeting which the whole populace can attend...wouldn't it be nice if some parliamentary procedure were followed, in which minutes were read; reports were read; and motions were made, seconded, and voted on? An agenda should be set in which each officer reads his or her report, and in cases of an upcoming event, the event and feast stewards would read their reports. Guild principals' reports would be included in the arts-and-sciences minister's report. This whole habit of populace meetings turning into open-mike bitch sessions got old a long, LONG time ago. Getting things done and communicating with the populace should not be a chore to be dreaded.</div>
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<div>Just my farthing and a half...</div>
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<div>Pax et bonum,</div>
<div>Detlef<br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Sher M <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:runa.herd@earthlink.net">runa.herd@earthlink.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><font size="4" face="Comic Sans MS">There are so many things that go on at Business/Officers Meetings especially getting ready for an event. A summary is usually given at Populace. I've seen meetings that took a while due to the sheer volume of info to go through. I just don't see how a "brief" officers meeting after Populace will work. Quite frankly I would be somewhat upset if I was the one that always had to travel. I realize there are more officers living in Huntsville area however changing to a meeting after Populace is kinda like saying the Southern Part of Raven's Fort doesn't count enough to come here.</font></div>
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<div><font size="4" face="Comic Sans MS">Populace is for meeting, visiting, learning. Business/Officers Meeting is for taking care of things and getting it to a summary verison so members can be kept updated. There have been good ideas and bad ideas presented at Officers. That's where the kinks are worked out. It is open to the members should they chose to attend. Before I was an officer if something needed to be discussed I stepped outside. </font></div>
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<div><font size="4" face="Comic Sans MS">Sorry but I really don't like the idea of meeting after or before Populace. It seems like shutting the door in someone's face if something needs to be discussed before it's presented to the populace of the Barony.</font></div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a title="mirabelis_@hotmail.com" href="mailto:mirabelis_@hotmail.com" target="_blank">kris hoffman</a> </div>
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<div><br></div>I agree that the populace needs to be informed, but can we do sommat say like a brief report done by the B&B or schen and then ask the officer if they have anything to add to it at populace when the report is read? Or the officers can read it but from things I've been learning about courts and such its best to let one person do the talking to keep things flowing. As it is, had we had the gate class this populace, not that its going to be any easier next populace with Defender right around the corner, but we were pushing some serious time spent on talking about reports and other business and no time for any extra activities if we choose to do so. If there are issues that need to be brought up with the populace than make it short and sweet and move on to sommat else that would require populace input and association with other members of the populace. <br>
<br>Cheers,<br>Mirabelis <br><br>
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From: <a href="mailto:mdowdy999@hotmail.com" target="_blank">mdowdy999@hotmail.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:ravensfort@lists.ansteorra.org" target="_blank">ravensfort@lists.ansteorra.org</a><br>Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 18:53:00 -0400<br>
Subject: Re: [Ravensfort] Populace issues - another thought<br><br><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Greetings,</span><br><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></span> <br><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">these are my personal thoughts. </span><br>
<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </span><br><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">A single officers meeting needs to happen. This is an event where the officers have a chance to speak to each to other in private. This is necessary to the operation of a group this size. It not only lends itself to the purpose of the barony but it allows the leadership to give direction. There are a great many things that go on at an officers meeting that are about the shear operation of the barony that take a great deal of time. I also believe there needs to be a populace meeting where folks are kept informed and can be given a voice on the very same direction. </span><br>
<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></span> <br><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">For example, the officers look at a number of port o poty contracters. It is up to our officers to secure the best price and the best service. The populace needs to know, and if they have a issue can speak up about it. There are more such as land use, money (income/expences), crown issues, and reporting. These are all important things that yes must be done but the populace as whole needs not be part of it on expence by expence or a phone call by phone call. </span><br>
<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </span><br><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </span><br><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Centurion Michael of Gravesend. . </span><br><br><br> <br>
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<div>Theres always somebody out there. Always. And when that time comes and you find something standing in front of you, something that ain't running and ain't backin up and is hittin on you and your too damn tired to breathe. You find that situation on you, thats good, Cuz thats baptizim under fire! Oh you get thru that and you find the only kind of respect that matters in this world, Self respect. <br>
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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 13:28:00 -0700<br>From: <a href="mailto:lddevin03@yahoo.com" target="_blank">lddevin03@yahoo.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:byzytym@att.net" target="_blank">byzytym@att.net</a>; <a href="mailto:ravensfort@lists.ansteorra.org" target="_blank">ravensfort@lists.ansteorra.org</a><br>
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<div>I agree with Volod. We should think about having a populace in the </div>
<div>Southern region. It is true that our Barony extends far and wide across this</div>
<div>mighty Kingdom.</div>
<div>So I think we should keep Officers in the Southern Barony (with food) and we</div>
<div>should hold populace there as well, maybe every 2 to 3 months.</div>
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<div>Devin<br></div>
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