<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>The group has three Ayla and I have one, Runa has one.</div><div><br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Aug 11, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Carolyn Pace <<a href="mailto:ridgetopfarm@me.com">ridgetopfarm@me.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>We do have several. Brian put up some side by side when we had that rainy event several Defenders ago.<br></div><div><br>On Aug 11, 2010, at 06:39 AM, "Hoffpauir, David" <<a href="mailto:ENV_DRH@SHSU.EDU">ENV_DRH@SHSU.EDU</a>> wrote:<br><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" style="" _mce_style="tab-interval: .5in;" lang="EN-US">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" _mce_style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; color: #1f497d;">I may be losing my mind, but don’t we already
own one, or a couple garage tents?<span style="" _mce_style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" _mce_style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; color: #1f497d;">I’m pretty sure, back in the day we could lay
hands on eight of them.<span style="" _mce_style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>As I recall (and
don’t quote me on this), but Sir Kief had one, Dave and Dom had one, Niklas and
Kezia had one, Berta and I had one, and possibly Brion and Ayla.<span style="" _mce_style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I thought the Barony purchased one as well (from
Sam’s Club).<span style="" _mce_style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That’s only six, but seems
like we set eight up in a square once for feast and court.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; font-weight: bold;" _mce_style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";" _mce_style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"> David Brown [mailto:lddevin03@yahoo.com] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;" _mce_style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, August 10, 2010
5:00 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;" _mce_style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Hoffpauir, David;
<a href="mailto:ravensfort@lists.ansteorra.org"><a href="mailto:ravensfort@lists.ansteorra.org">ravensfort@lists.ansteorra.org</a></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;" _mce_style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Ravensfort] Tarps
and such</span></font></p>
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all sounds good. I still think the garage tents from Academy would be the best
bet...and we can take them to other events.</span></font></p>
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could always make large Raven's Fort banners and hoist them up yonder poles!</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;" _mce_style="margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; font-weight: bold;" _mce_style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";" _mce_style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"> "Hoffpauir, David"
<<a href="mailto:ENV_DRH@SHSU.EDU">ENV_DRH@SHSU.EDU</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;" _mce_style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
"<a href="mailto:ravensfort@lists.ansteorra.org">ravensfort@lists.ansteorra.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:ravensfort@lists.ansteorra.org">ravensfort@lists.ansteorra.org</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;" _mce_style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tue, August 10, 2010 3:43:01
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;" _mce_style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Ravensfort] Tarps and
such</span></font><span style="" _mce_style="mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" _mce_style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: #1f497d;">I’ve
been trying to get my head around the engineering on our pavilion project.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" _mce_style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: #1f497d;"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" _mce_style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: #1f497d;">Currently
we could lift a Volkswagen if we were going strait up. That’s not the
problem though. We want to use the existing poles and cabling to go
between the two uprights with a cover. That is, rig something between the
uprights that can be lifted using the current cabling by inserting a third
cable between them. So instead of just going up we are introducing
tension between the two poles and, especially, the two cables. </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" _mce_style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: #1f497d;"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" _mce_style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: #1f497d;">Anything
attached to the third cable, with any weight at all, is going to pull the
existing cables toward each other. In my mind we’re going to have a major
sag in the middle if there is much weight. We also have to consider
wind. Any material that catches wind will eventually rip. Catch too
much wind and there goes the whole investment.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" _mce_style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: #1f497d;"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" _mce_style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: #1f497d;">Options?
Canvas is just plain heavy. Weatherized material (herculite) would be equally
heavy for the size we’re suggesting. Tarps, would work but are butt
ugly. Rip stop nylon (parachute material) is very light and strong, just
hard to come by. Plastic sheeting, um, forget I mentioned that… </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" _mce_style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: #1f497d;"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" _mce_style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: #1f497d;">Another
consideration is purpose. Are we trying to shed water or block
sunlight? Both would be nice but really what is our most common
situation? Sunlight, I’d say.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" _mce_style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: #1f497d;"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" _mce_style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: #1f497d;">So what
might work? Cotton painter’s drop cloths might be a alternative.
They come in various sizes, block light and could be decorated, painted, or
weatherized. They also can take abuse. Check Home Depot.
Another alternative is just plain old bed sheets. King size. They
are very light, allow air to pass through, could be decorated, come in colors,
are easily sewn together, and are easily obtainable. We could get a dozen
at Good Sheppard Mission for almost nothing, or just hit garage sales.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" _mce_style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: #1f497d;">Anyway
just a few thoughts. I’d hate to see us purchase a warehouse of expensive
fabric that ends up not working.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" _mce_style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: #1f497d;">As a
suggestion, I’d say let’s do the bed sheet angle first and learn from
there. It’s the simplest approach, cheapest by far, and easiest to scrap
if the engineering doesn’t work out.</span></font></p>
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