SC - Spring Foods Brain Buster

[Yeldham, Caroline S]

Back again!

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Mike C. Baker [SMTP:kihe at rocketmail.com]
> Sent:	04 March 1998 23:51
> To:	sca-cooks at Ansteorra.ORG
> Subject:	RE: SC - Spring Foods Brain Buster
> 
> ---"Yeldham, Caroline S" <csy20688 at GlaxoWellcome.co.uk> wrote:
> > [Yeldham, Caroline S]  And by great co-incidence I'm working on
> > Formond's list of plants dated to c 1500 (he died 1542/3 but the
> > handwriting dates it to around 1500 - this information from
> > John Hervey's Early Gardening Catalogues 1972 SBN 85033 021 1
> > published by Phillimore).  the text is also known as Sloane
> > MS 1201 in the British Museum.
> > 
> > He gives something like 100 plants for gardens under the headings
> > of 'for potage', 'for sauce', 'for the copp', 'for a Salade', ;
> > to stylle', 'for savour and beaute', 'rotys for a gardyn' and 'for
> > a herber'.  BTW if anyone knows what 'for the copp' or to stylle'
> > mean, I'd love to know.
> 
> I've seen good answers to those last two, but I have an alternate
> possibility for 'copp' -- which a quick inspection of the associated
> plants should make or break. (I'm willing to believe that 'cup' is
> more likely than the following, but since it came into this Kitchen
> Idiot's addled pate...)
> 
> 'copp' might conceivably be 'coop', particularly if the associated
> plants are viable sources of poultry feed.
> 
	[Yeldham, Caroline S]  No, I think its cup, the herbs mentioned are
Cost, Costmary, Sauge, Isope, rosemary, Gyllofr;, Goldez, Clarey, Mageron,
Rue'

	Goldez  is marigold, calendula officinalis (John Hervey again).
Tho' I wouldn't be happy adding rue.

	Herbez to Stylle are
	'Endyve, Red Rose, Rosemary, Dragans, Skabiose, Ewfrace, Wermode,
Mogwede, Beteyn, Wylde Tansey, Sauge, Isope, Ersemart'

	(what a wonderful list!)

> The entry in this list I don't recognize and am hesitant to
> speculate on is 'rotys for a gardyn'. Are these plants to cultivate
> as part of a rotation? In rows (which recent information leads me to
> believe may be a New World contribution)? 
> 
	[Yeldham, Caroline S]  'Rotys' is roots, not rotation.  I'd be
interested to see your information, but yes, my reading would suggest
growing in raised beds, not rows.  However, raised beds doesn't rule out
rotation - that was certainly established in farming practice.

	the Rotys specified are
	'Persenepez, turnepez, radyce, karettes, galyngale, irynges,
saffron'

	Several interesting points - how few herbs are grown for their
roots.  Saffron defined as a root?  Galyngale as a root which can be grown
in this country - I'd assumed it was imported like all the other spices -
anyone any information.
	I'm trying to track down some fresh galyngale in order to grow it!
I'm also trying to get hold of irynges or sea holly (its protected over
here) to grow it - especially since candied its supposed to be an
aphrodisiac.

> > PS - this new system insists on adding my name every time I hit
> > return and I haven't figured out how to turn it off, so apologies
> > for the apparent egoism!
> 
> No problem -- actually, I thought it looked like a nifty feature
> when replying point-by-point to sections of a previous post. Good
> luck in finding a way to disable when not desired!
> 
	[Yeldham, Caroline S]  Thanks to those who have offered help, but I
think Mike is right here on multiple points!

	[Yeldham, Caroline S]  
	Caroline
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