Alcohol bafflement [was SC - whats an inn?]

[Micaylah]

Anne-Marie,
While these are very good, and I might add valid points, I guess that coming
from this side of the border i just don't understand. The aspect of being
sued didn't even enter my mind. However, given the point you made about our
culture drinking less as a whole, I think maybe the laws are to discourage
the inebriated as***les that ruin things fior the rest of us. Too bad bad
for us who are not.

As well in Ontario, there are laws similar to your own about bartenders, the
bar etc., but I have never heard of this coming to a court house
ever...allthough this may not be the case as I'm not a Barister.

I am of a mind that alot of behavior is learned. I see very little evidence
here in our parks of trashed bottles, drunken louts etc. and perhaps we are
lucky that this behavior, for the most part, was never taught to us as a
general population. Again it must have been learned...and if it is evident,
I don't see it too much in the SCA. We seem to be a gentle, respectful lot
on the whole. (it's too bad we don';t have a separate set of laws for
us...it would make this issue almoost moot!)

More so, noise in our parks is more of an issue and perhaps the two go hand
in hand. Here the rangers can ticket you (approx. $75 each!) hour by hour
after, I believe, 11pm and then turf you out at 6am the next morning. It is
illegal for them to turf you when a) your drunk and b) its dark.  I have
seen this done and its incredibly funny to see the looks on the accused
faces when the rangers show up bright and early the next morning to
accompany these jerks off the premises!

One thing I have learned with this discussion is that if I ever have the
opportunity to cook feast out of Canada I had better check the liquour laws
very carefully BEFORE planning the menu!

Micaylah



>Hi all from Anne-Marie
>in Washington State (definately not the bible belt, unless you go East of
>the mountains, and then its another planet! :)), we have very strict laws
>regarding alcohol. Primarily, in my opinion, due to the litigeous nature of
>todays society. If they tell you cant do something, and you do it anyway
>and get hit by a bus, you can still sue, but the judge is more likely to
>say "you goofus! they told you not to do that!!". This is the state where
>if you're in a bar and drink too much and go out and run over someone in
>your car, the BAR and bartender can get sued for providing the alcohol to
>you--and you the drunk guy could win. Stupid but true. 
>
>Parks often will declare a no-alcohol policy for many reasons, especially
>if they're in the city...
>1. no booze means that if a drunken party starts they can kick you out
>BEFORE damage is done, rather than waiting for some other major rule
>infraction to occur
>2.no booze means they dont have to worry about minors drinking...cuz no one
>can
>3. no booze means no beer bottles and empty 1/5th lying about. Sure,
>there's still soda cans, but people tend not to chug cherry coke in quite
>the same way.
>4. no booze TENDS to mean quieter revelry, which means happier neighbors
>which means passed bond initiatives which means the rangers get that really
>cool new riding lawnmower...
>5. no booze means cheaper insurance, which means that maybe, just maybe the
>ranger can get paid more than minimum wage! I said maybe...:)
>
>Hey, it's their property. And reallly, at least here in Madrone, there's a
>lot less drinking than there used to be, so dry sites arent that much of an
>issue. I wouldnt want to hold a crown event at a dry site, but for small
>local events, its not an issue. 
>
>And for feasts, which is the reason we're even talking about this at all,
>MOST places, even the bone arid dry ones, if you ASK THEM AHEAD OF TIME and
>assure them that the stuff is only gonna be in the kitchen and you'll pack
>out your empties and assure them that it wont be a drunken baccanallian
>orgy are cool. And if not, you can always boil the wine at home first
>(thereby "dealcoholizing" it enough for park rules, anyway. Again, make
>sure they know you'd like to do this. No suprises!)
>
>--AM

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