SC - Alcohol law in the SCA-personal thoughts

[maddie teller-kook]

I see a lot of this information is related to alcohol that is being consumed as a
drink. Not alcohol being consumed as food. Does Oklahoma have restrictions there as
well? I had the understanding as long as alcohol was being used as an ingredient in
food, you did not need a special license to serve the food in question.

Meadhbh

Pug Bainter wrote:

> Lord Ras said something that sounded like:
> > You are  correct. My apologies. I was unaware that the restriction was
> > specifically confined to Ansteorra. The locals here are convinced that it is a
> > Corpora thing. I will have to look it up and see. Maybe things aren't as bad
> > as I seem to think they are.
>
> Good Morning again Ras.
>
> Let me say that I am quite surprised at you for having such a short
> attention span on this topic. You and I have gone around about this in
> the past, and you knew then that it was localized to Ansteorra, and out
> and out accused the Seneschal of our fair Kingdom of being a thief and
> recommended prosecution. That is neither hear nor there though.
>
> I hope that things will be clamer and more level headed on both sides
> this time around.
>
> > I am aware of some of the
> > cultural pecularities that occur ion Ansteorra but it still amazes me that a
> > culture that encourages it's citizens to walk around armed to the teeth could
> > have such an overeaction to alcohol.
>
> As others have pointed out, this is in part due to being in the Bible
> Belt, and to be specific, they are probably based on Oklahoma. Although
> *parts* of Oklahoma allow serving by the drink, I would say it's still
> in the barily majority that do not.
>
> If you'd like to see the maps of the counties that allow serving by the
> drink, take a look at:
>
> http://WWW.ABLE.STATE.OK.US/EASTERN.HTM
> http://WWW.ABLE.STATE.OK.US/SOUTHERN.HTM
> http://WWW.ABLE.STATE.OK.US/WESTERN.HTM
>
> The ones that *do* are in white. If I counted right, those that allowed
> it were outnumbered by 1 county still.
>
> Unfortunately I have not yet found a similar setup for Texas.
>
> As for the laws that affect us (besides the county/local) within
> Ansteorra with regards to brewing/vintning, they can be found at:
>
> http://southern.ansteorra.org/bvc/appendix1.html
>
> This is part of a handbook that I'm trying to start.
>
> > IIRC, it was to avoid future problems from occurring.
>
> Although it is part of it, from my investigation into the Laws of our
> lands, and some private discussions with folks, I do not feel that this
> was all of it.
>
> > I also feel that little consideration was given to the intrusion this
> > law would be to the personal liberties of their citizens
>
> A very valor ideal, but not pratical for a corporation.
>
> Luckily since the majority of the laws around alcohol do not affect the
> corporation or the Kingdom, they do not remind us of them.
>
> For example, in Oklahoma, you can not vint without a free license that
> has to be renewed every year. As well, to brew beer, you have to get a
> license which costs $1500 a year.
>
> > I sincerely hope that  this law can be modified to
> > exclude feast preparation and Brewer's Guilds.
>
> Personally I think the current law helps both the guilds and the feast
> coordinators. It allows the feast coordinators to get alcohol
> (admittedly only wines, beers, etc) for free, and it allows the brewers
> to show off their skills.
>
> ========
>
> Then Bear said something that sounded like:
> > I don't know about other parts of the kingdom, but the brewer's around
> > Namron own all of their equipment and assemble as a group to assist each
> > other, discuss techniques and taste the latest creations.  None of the
> > equipment is owned by the SCA group.
>
> As with the group in Bryn Gwlad. We own all of our equipment and none of
> it is the SCA's. We have had some donations from individuals to assist
> us. Usually brewers/vintners that either only dabbled or retired the
> equipment.
>
> Btw, I hope to see the Honorable Brotherhood at the brewing round table
> at LPT. I tried to get Count Finn to assist, or suggest someone who
> could, with the panel of the round table, but I never heard back from him.
>
> > The Honorable Brotherhood of Brewers and Vintners has been kind enough to
> > supply my last feasts (the ones after this mess blew up) with donated
> > beverages.
>
> Great! This is what I did as well for our recent Baronial Celtic Games.
> The cook needed about 5 gallons of stout, so I made it up for them.
>
> Btw, I am not a lawyer, relevant SCA officer, or an expert. I'm just
> someone who wanted to cover his own butt and started investigating the
> different laws. I personally am not trying to change the laws, in part
> because I agree with them with regards to guilds, and in part that I
> don't want to see them even more convoluted than they already are.
>
> In Service,
>
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