SC - Fw: Re: [SCA-U] Copying Old Documents

[pat fee]

Thank you for sending this gentleman's comments. to me.  you can tell him 
for me that the Monk was a family member home on a visit.  Members of the 
family could read, but as the monks training was as a scribe he was 
commissioned to set the family's records in order, this included the recipes 
that were special to the family and served for feasts.
Also please tell him that I have had quite enough of all the derogatory 
remarks about my family treasure.  I would have not have mentioned it on the 
list if it hadn't be authenticated first.

Lady Katherine McGuire
P.S.  I plan to withdraw any and all mention of this book from the list.

>From: "Alderton, Philippa" <phlip at morganco.net>
>Reply-To: sca-cooks at Ansteorra.ORG
>To: "SCA Cooks" <sca-cooks at Ansteorra.ORG>
>Subject: SC - Fw:      Re: [SCA-U] Copying Old Documents
>Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:44:04 -0400
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>Phlip
>
>Nolo disputare, volo somniare et contendere, et iterum somniare.
>
>phlip at morganco.net
>
>Philippa Farrour
>Caer Frig
>Southeastern Ohio
>
>The World's Need
>
>So many Gods, so many creeds,
>So many paths that wind and wind,
>When just the art of being kind
>Is all this sad world needs.
>
>- Ella Wheeler Wilcox
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Marc Carlson <marc-carlson at UTULSA.EDU>
>To: SCA-UNIVERSITAS at LIST.UVM.EDU <SCA-UNIVERSITAS at LIST.UVM.EDU>
>Date: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 1:17 PM
>Subject: Re: [SCA-U] Copying Old Documents
>
>
> ><Tangwystl>
> >>Fascinating, if true, but I've heard too many "family tradition" stories
> >>along this line that don't prove out to take it at face value. Even "old
> >>Old OLD" family books are extremely unlikely to date anywhere near back 
>to
> >>the 14th century -- especially if they've been in continuous use in the
> >>meantime. And if the existing version of the supposed 14th century 
>recipes
> >>was actually written at a more recent date, then a whole host of
> >>questions arises as to the basis on which they were assigned that
> >>particular origin. As I say, fascinating, if true. But somewhat unlikely
> >>to be true.
> >
> >If I understand it, what we have here is a book that is either mostly
> >full of recipes, which dates back to 1398, and in back the names of the
> >people who have copied from it over the centuries.  Is this correct?  
>This
> >should be really easy to verify.  Even if it's been rebound a time or 
>two,
> >there should be numerous instances of handwriting differences, and so on.
> >Of course, considering the climactic conditions inside a kitchen
>(especially with regular usage) the book's probably been re-copied more 
>than
>once.  That would be easy enough to prove (assuming we had the actual text
>in hand -- one
> >reason that "primary" sources have their uses).
> >
> >OTOH, and not to denegrate the original poster's traditions, but I'm with
>Tangwystl here, however.  Having studied the concept (although for, um,
>"other" reasons), most "old family traditions" really aren't that neat and
>clean, and when you examine them closely they tend to break down.
> >
> >For example, a simple question.  If the original book were written out in 
>a
>Scottish Laird's household (one would presume for the family's use) why did
>they need to use a monk for a scribe?  The obvious possible reasons 
>include:
>the family wasn't literate -- if not, then who was it written for?  Their
> >descendents who might someday become literate?  Because they wanted it in
> >Latin? That would be easy enough to discount - are they in Latin?  
>Because
>they wanted the recipes written out neatly in a clear hand?  Ok, we have a
>family that is -wealthy- enough to afford to hire a scrivner to write
>down -cooking recipes-?  Ok, it's not impossible, but how likely is it?
> >
> >And that's without looking into it for instances of language use, and so
>on.
> >
> >Marc/Diarmaid
>
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