SC - SC: - Galingale question

[Christine Krebs-Bonder]

At 13:29 1-2-99 -0500, Margali wrote:
>Of coursee I also hate to point out to traditionalists that the earliest
>settlement of the red paint people is in anse aux medows in one of our far
>northern territories is dated to 8k bc, and the earliest in europe is 5k
bc, I
>really hate euro-centric archeology!
>margali

Hadn't heard anything connecting L'Anse aux Meadows (Newfoundland) with the
Red Paint culture - I thought it was "just" a Viking site.  Was reading
something about the Red Paint people the other day (whilst checking up on
Madoc ap Owain Gwynnedd for someone else); the impression that I got was
that the main Red Paint sites were in Maine and Labrador (and presumably in
Nova Scotia, to connect the others).  Guess I'll have to hit the base
library again....

At 22:53 1-2-99 -0500, the most esteemed and unusual Master Adamantius wrote:
>_SOME_body wrote:
>
>> >> Does not the archeological finds of anchor stones from Chinese junkets
>> >>off the
>> >> the west coast of the states make an equally valid observation that
peanuts
>> >> MAY have been introduced  to the New World by Chinese traders during
pre-
>> >> Columbian times?
>
>About those Chinese junkets...I have to ask...since the Chinese have
>never been really big consumers of milk, how did they make their junket?
>Some kind of soy milk, perhaps, used to make a sweetened bean curd
>product? Inquiring minds, etc.
>> >

I've been waiting for someone to pick up on that....

>And then at some point Cindy Renfrow wrote:
> 
>> Hello!  I recently saw a program on TV that dealt briefly with these anchor
>> stones.  (Sorry, don't remember which program.)  Upon close examination,
>> the narrator came to the conclusion that the stones were lost by 19th
>> century Chinese-American fishermen who were using home-made traditional
>> anchors.
>
>There are Chinese accounts of a single emperor who encouraged
>exploration outside of the Middle Kingdom (no, not _that_ Middle
>Kingdom), building several enormous ships for the express purpose. I
>forget the name and approximate dates (Era of the Warring States,
>perhaps, a.k.a. "the Mulan years"), but I could look them up. One
>account includes the claim that Chinese explorers discovered an
>extremely large land mass across the Western Ocean, after having passed
>some smaller islands...apparently this emperor died young and his
>successor more or less closed the borders again, declaring it a crime to
>build boats above a certain size.

Pardon my vagueness here - I'm drawing from memories of a book I last read
around 1971 (*They All Discovered America*, by Charles Michael Boland), and
portions of a book I skimmed through at the base library last week (whilst
looking for the Prince Madoc info)....  The records show that a Chinese
monk, whose name was transliterated as Hoei-Shin by Boland and Hui-Shan by
the other author, was sent east on a voyage of exploration.  He eventually
returned and reported at length on the land of Fusang, which some believe
to have been North America.  A generation or few later, two other Chinese
gentlemen were charged by their emperor with surveying the world; their
labours resulted in a series of manuscripts describing the mountains and
rivers of various lands.  One or two of these have been translated as
descriptions of the Canadian and US Rockies, based on lists of mountain
peaks and the distances between them.  I do not, alas, remember dates,
other than that all of this was well before 1492.  If anyone really wants
to know more (including the author and title of the second book), I can go
back to the library later this week.

Oh, and let's not forget the Japanese who may have reached South America
around 3550 BC.... 8)

At 23:28 1-2-99 -0500, Elysant wrote:
>I get a similar reaction "how quaint" when I ask people around here if
they'd 
>like a bite of my Cadbury's Flake.  (Not American!  Don't know what it is! 
>Poison!)

If you have an excess, I would be willing to get them out of your way....

Cheers -


Alasdair mac Iain



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