SC - Welser marzipan part 1 (long) was Re: Puck's marzipan
Philip & Susan Troy
troy at asan.com
Sat Mar 6 08:17:51 PST 1999
>Hullo the list! Sorry I haven't been replying to the posts on my redaction,
>but not long after I posted it the forces of evil almost caught up with me
>(hush Elysant)
"forces of evil..."
(Hush isn't in my vocabulary BTW);-)
Elysant
and I had to relocate the PuckCave. The wonderdog and I have
>finally settled in the new place, and as you can see the 'puter is back up,
>so here goes:
>
>
>Ian wrote:
>>>Hello Puckles! Full marks for effort in the translation!
>
>
>Why thankyou!
>
>>>>der gar klein ist so er gestossen is -
>>>
>>>perhaps: that are so fine you can pass them through a sieve?
>>>
>
>ummm...I think I disagree. Unfortunately my original notes are still in
>some box or other around here, but as I recall 'gar' is to cook, at least
>from my training and handy dictionary. Having said that though, my
>dictionary is a modern one, and I haven't used my German in over twenty
>years, so much has been lost. How would you derive you translation m'lord?
>I don't see the connection from any of the words in the original.
>
>>>>da wirk ei weiss von
>>>
>>>if this is really a von, we're missing a phrase here. Could you
>>>check this bit, please? Might it be 'ein'? Then it would read 'work
>>>an egg white in', which makes sense to me.
>>>
>
>
>well, much of my translation was a labor of figuring out the script, but
>this one defintiely seems to be von. It appeared to me to be one of the few
>words in the text that were clear. (Oh BTW, I remember someone asking where
>this came from: sorry, I thought I made that clear in the original post, it
>is from Duke Cariodocs site, one of the books still needing translation and
>offered up for such, called the 'smaller German cookbook' IIRC)
>
>>>>Nym der oblat
>>>
>>>Nym is take, not make. Is there a mould involved? It sounds as
>>>though this may be the case.
>>>
>
>That was my thought, but again, my German is so rusty I was reluctant to
>make that stretch.
>
>>>>an die leg auff ein Papir.
>>>
>>>Lay a paper on the oblat (another word I'll check when I get home) -
>>>sounds as though you're rolling out on rice paper or similar?
>>>
>ummm...I read this as lay the wafer on the paper, possible grammatical error
>on my part?
>
>>>>nez andertem
>>>
>>>>leg ein ander oblat daran
>>>
>>>>es hafft anein ander
>>>
>>>Are these Fs or Ss? Although pretty and 'authentic' in feel, it
>>>makes it really hard to read when long S gets written as an F. After
>>>all, we don't alter most other lettering.
>>>
>I read them to be old style Ss, though must admit, I'm not terribly
>confident in the nez andertem part. The manuscript, to my eyes anyway, is
>all but illegible at this point. Or maybe it is just using characters I
>don't recognize.
>
>
>Then Katerina said:
>
>>der gar klein ist so er gestossen is -
>
>> perhaps: that are so fine you can pass them through a sieve?
>[MAYER,ING,SUSANNE FEM BENAT]
>which (der) very small/ fine (gar klein) is (ist) when/if (so) he/it (er)
>pounded (gestossen ist, past tense)
>Mandel /almond is was maskulin in this context (der Mandel, he), today it is
>feminine die Mandel (she)
>
>the problem I have with this is that, as I understood it, in German the
>second word in a sentence is always a verb. Now, the modern translation of
>'gar' is as an adverb :sufficiently cooked. Could it not have been used as
>a verb in the MA, such as roast and braise are both verbs describing a type
>or method of cooking? That was my take on it anyway. Leaving the verb to
>the end of the sentence just doesn't seem right to me.
>
>
>> >an die leg auff ein Papir.
>>
>> Lay a paper on the oblat (another word I'll check when I get home) -
>> sounds as though you're rolling out on rice paper or similar?
>[MAYER,ING,SUSANNE FEM BENAT]
>could an be an un, then it would be und which means and
>so this would read: and lay it (the wafer) on a paper
>
>> >da mach du den marcipan
>>
>> make the marzipan
>[MAYER,ING,SUSANNE FEM BENAT]
>on this (da is here for a location) make you the marzipan
>
>Ok, I'll buy that, though I took da (again from my dictionary) to mean then,
>as in a preperatory phrase: then you make the marzipan, or then take this
>glob you just made and turn it into the final product if you will.
>
>more in a bit, Puck
>
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