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[Helen]

Thanks for the information.

Sindara


At 05:06 PM 3/18/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Phillipa, just because a mark cannot be copyrighted, or registered as a
>trademark, does NOT mean that it cannot be used as a certification mark.
>Actually, whether or not it can be registered for copyright is irrelevant,
>as you would want it to be a trademark (symbol of origin, like heraldry) to
>use it as a significator of "kosher-ness."  If you go to the webpage for the
>Orthodox Union (try http://www.ou.org/kosher/default.htm
><http://www.ou.org/kosher/default.htm>  for the Kashruth Department) they
>explain that "THE OU EMBLEM <cannot reproduce> is the registered trademark
>(U.S. Patent Office #636,593 and #1,087891) of the Kashruth Division of the
>Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America - The Orthodox Union."
>Other symbols used (I have not checked whether all are registered as a
>trademark) are:  "Vaad HaKashruth of The Capital District - the Vaad's
>Certificate of Kashruth is prominently displayed or the Vaad's symbol (A
>'Star-of-David' with the letters VH written diagnally within it) appears on
>product packaging."  [http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~mandels/Local/VaadKosher.html ]
>and the list at http://www.lss.org/kashrut.html
><http://www.lss.org/kashrut.html>  provides all the ones in Manhattan.
>
>Sindara, as for the article I posted on Jell-O, it was taken whole off of
>the webpage to which I referred.  I agree with you that "K" is not
>significant, but I have not looked at it.  As for the others, they all had
>the webpages and you can go through them to ask the rabbis in question.
>Without knowing to which of the items you were referring, I cannot give you
>more of an answer than that.
>
>Different rabbinic councils have their own symbols.  The Kashrus Magazine
>(main webpage at http://www.kosherinfo.com/ <http://www.kosherinfo.com/> )
>publishes a directory of symbols; the current issue has 345 different
>symbols!  Here is some of what they say about it (and Ras, they answer about
>the "K" alone as an indicator; as my sisteren pointed out, you are incorrect
>about U being "kosher-for-Passover" at least in the USA):
>
>This is our 19th year providing the most complete listing of
>kosher-certifying agencies, their symbols, and information about their
>organizations. We offer this in a non-judgmental way. Readers must make
>their own determinations. 
>
>Two suggestions for how you can determine the relative acceptability of a
>rabbi or kashrus agency.  One way is to network, using this guide to contact
>those rabbis or agencies which you or your rabbi consider acceptable.  The
>second tip is that this guide makes a tremendous tool for planning a
>vacation or when invited to an affair out of your area.
>
>At the behest of readers who wished to know who stood behind the many
>symbols which we had not been listing, we have included non-orthodox kashrus
>agencies in our list (Conservative and Traditional). We do this so that the
>Guide will be as complete as possible.
>
>To the kosher consumer, a symbol conjures up the image of a huge kashrus
>organization dedicated to round-the-clock supervision of kosher products. In
>reality, however, the "organization" symbolized, may be only an individual
>who works alone and whose supervision may not be up to the level of the
>"American Standard of Kashrus." 
>
> 	On the other hand, an extremely reliable group of people might be
>using only a "K" to represent their product. It is important to remember,
>however, that there has been a terrible abuse of the letter "K".   The
>letter "K" is an unregistered symbol which can be used by anyone, even by a
>non-Jewish owner of a food company, to claim that his products are kosher. 
>
>This listing is a copyrighted directory (copyright 1998, Yeshiva Birkas
>Reuven, Brooklyn, NY) and may not be copied or reproduced in any form,
>stored in a retrieval file, or placed on the Internet without express
>permission of the publisher. To request rights to reprint this directory or
>to report violation of this copyright, please contact KASHRUS Magazine, POB
>204, Brooklyn, NY 11204.
>
>	---= Margo Lynn (the Jewish persona with Web access)
>
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