SC - turkish food in the North

[david friedman]

> I don't think the Magyars are a turkic people--at least, the language is
> finno-ugric, not Turkic. And I don't think the Finns are descended from
> Magyars, given how different the languages are--just that they have some
> common origin much farther back. If we are talking about migrations that
> occurred prior to the invention of agriculture, I doubt we can expect much
> culinary connection--anyone know what the conjectural dates are?
> 
> David Friedman
> 
The Magyars migrated out of western Siberia in the vicinity of the Urals to
the northern Caucasus around 460 CE.  Finland was settled around the 1st
Century.  The Finns and the Magyars are probably related, but are not
necessarily the same people.

In the 9th Century, the Pecheneg migration out of Central Asia forced the
Magyars west into Romania.  The Magyars moved into Hungary and Bulgaria and
were pushing into the Germanic states when they were defeated by the Holy
Roman Emperor Otto.  The Magyars became Hungarians and the Pecheneg and some
of the other Central Asian tribes which migrated west became Turks.

Because of the geography of the region, the Magyars traded with the Turks
and, in the 16th Century were overrun by the Ottoman Empire.  So while the
Turks definitely influence Hungarian cooking, tracing the migration of this
influence to far side of the Baltic is more tenuous.  Adamantius' historical
connection looks to be the best answer for a connection in cusines.

As to the languages, Finnish and Magyar share a number of linguistic
simularities and are classed a Finno-Ugric languages, a subset of the
broader class Uralic.  Turkic is a subset of Altaic.  In geographic terms,
the Uralic languages share a root language used in the vicinity of the Ural
Mountains in western Siberia.  Altaic languages derive from a root language
in use in Central Asia and named for the Altai Mountains which form part of
the western border between Mongolia and China.

There is a debate as to whether Uralic and Altaic are unrelated or are
branches of an earlier root language.

Bear




 
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