SC - Cooking for 2 at war?

[Anne-Marie Rousseau]

> *sighs* I don't know the exact names of the bacteria, but yes they can
> live 
> in grape juice, barley juice, or dilluted honey with spices added.  Also 
> some wild yeasts produce different alchohols that go unnoticed and can
> cause 
> harmful effects.
> 
> Cadoc
> 
> 
> 
> my Lord,the reason you can't name it is that it is something refered 
> to as a" prion"(proteinaceous infectious particle) which basically 
> means they are some sort of particle neither bacterial nor viral, but 
> transfer some truly  nasty stuff somehow, and the particular disease 
> you mention is always fatal. My medical dictionary says that prions 
> change proteins, but how is unknown.So, if they don't know how, they 
> probably don't know all the wherefores and the why's either. So tell 
> the rest of those guys to stop picking on you.
> 
> Fiona
> 
Let's try Escherichia, Salmonella, Shigella, Proteus, Klebsiella, Erwinia,
Enterobacter, and Serratia.  All of these are bacterial pathogen groups
producing various types of alcohol by fermentation.  Obviously they can
survive in some fermentation processes.  Brewing and vintning usually
produce conditions which they can not survive.

The pathogenic prions with which I am familiar are animal proteins and are
apparently transferred by ingesting infected meat or by fluid transfer.
They do not infect cereals, but they can be deposited on the plants.  Simple
washing of the grain should remove any prions.

The study quoted is about the maximal survival parameters for prions.  They
can survive fermentation.  However, the study says nothing about the
probability of prions infecting beer or wine.  Given the nature of the
prion, as we currently understand it, the probability approaches zero. 

So there are actually two answers to the question.  Yes, pathogens can
survive fermentation.  And, for practical purposes, pathogens do not survive
in properly prepared and fermented beer and wine.

Bear

OBTW, the general difference between a prion and a virus seems to be the
prion does not have nucleic acid.  I've seen prions referred to as
proto-viruses.

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