SC - Period Kinds of apples/Pears
Deborah Schumacher
chicagojo at uswest.net
Wed Oct 27 22:28:02 PDT 1999
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Ok, here is the question then, If i am looking at an apple recipe and buying
apples for it, what is going to be closest? I've never seen any of the
varieties mentioned. Or is there no difference and i can just buy what is on
sale?
Asking the stupid questions
Zoe
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From: owner-sca-cooks at Ansteorra.ORG
[mailto:owner-sca-cooks at Ansteorra.ORG]On Behalf Of david friedman
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 6:36 PM
To: sca-cooks at Ansteorra.ORG
Subject: Re: SC - Period Kinds of apples/Pears
At 5:28 PM -0700 10/27/99, Catherine Keegan wrote:
For Apples, all of the grocery-store varieties are modern.
Depends on the grocery store. It used to be the case that stores around
Pennsic cometimes carried Summer Rambo (Rambeau d'ete), which is a period or
perhaps early 17th c. variety. And lady apples, which are supposed to be
period, occasionally show up in grocery stores.
The variety
"Court Pendu Plat" (or "Corps Pendu") is supposed to date from at least
the 1590's and may actually be derived from the old Roman variety called
Sementinum... according to one of the catalogs. I think at least one
reference claimed that "White Winter Pearmain" was originally a 13th
century variety. And Frank Browning mentions in his book "Apples," that
the rootstock variety now know as "M9" is actually derived from the
"Paradise" apple that was popular from the 13th century; it was supposed
to
be a small yellow apple.
My list from the Miscellany article:
Calville Blanc D'Hiver (1627) Grosse Mignonne (1667)
Court Pendu Plat (16th century-possibly Roman)
Devonshire Quarendon (1690) Nectarine
Drap d'Or (=Coe's Golden Drop?) Early Violet (1659)
Lady Apple (1628)
Old Nonpareil Pears
Pomme Royale Buerre Gris (1608)
Reinette Franche Rousselet de Reims (1688)
Roxbury Russett (Early 17th century) Bartlett (Williams Bon Chretien)
Scarlet Crofton "of ancient origin"-may or may
Sops of Wine not be pre-1600.
Summer Rambo (16th century)
Winter Pearmain Plums
Fenouilette Gris Green Gage (Reine Claude)
Golden Reinette Prune d'Agen
To approximate medieval culinary apples, you would need to find an
orchard
growing the old vintage varieties.
Or grow your own--there are a number of nurseries that sell the old
varieties.
David Friedman
Professor of Law
Santa Clara University
ddfr at best.com
http://www.best.com/~ddfr/
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owner-sca-cooks at Ansteorra.ORG =
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Kinds of apples/Pears<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>At 5:28 PM -0700 10/27/99, =
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Keegan wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>For Apples, all of the grocery-store varieties are modern. =
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Depends on the grocery store. It used to be the =
case that=20
stores around Pennsic cometimes carried Summer Rambo (Rambeau d'ete), =
which is=20
a period or perhaps early 17th c. variety. And lady apples, which are =
supposed=20
to be period, occasionally show up in grocery =
stores.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>The variety<BR>"Court Pendu Plat" (or "Corps Pendu") is =
supposed=20
to date from at least<BR>the 1590's and may actually be derived from =
the old=20
Roman variety called<BR>Sementinum... according to one of the =
catalogs. I=20
think at least one<BR>reference claimed that "White Winter Pearmain" =
was=20
originally a 13th<BR>century variety. And Frank Browning mentions in =
his=20
book "Apples," that<BR>the rootstock variety now know as "M9" is =
actually=20
derived from the<BR>"Paradise" apple that was popular from the 13th =
century;=20
it was supposed to<BR>be a small yellow apple. =
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>My list=20
from the Miscellany=20
article:<BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times><?smaller>Calville Blanc =
D'Hiver=20
(1627) Grosse Mignonne (1667)<BR>Court Pendu Plat (16th =
century-possibly=20
Roman)<BR>Devonshire Quarendon (1690) <U>Nectarine<BR></U>Drap d'Or =
(=3DCoe's=20
Golden Drop?) Early Violet (1659)<BR>Lady Apple (1628)<BR>Old =
Nonpareil=20
<U>Pears<BR></U>Pomme Royale Buerre Gris (1608)<BR>Reinette Franche =
Rousselet=20
de Reims (1688)<BR>Roxbury Russett (Early 17th century) Bartlett =
(Williams Bon=20
Chretien) <BR>Scarlet Crofton "of ancient origin"-may or may<BR>Sops =
of Wine=20
not be pre-1600.<BR>Summer Rambo (16th century)<BR>Winter Pearmain=20
<U>Plums<BR></U>Fenouilette Gris Green Gage (Reine Claude)<BR>Golden =
Reinette=20
Prune d'Agen<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><?/smaller><?/fontfamily>
<BLOCKQUOTE>To approximate medieval culinary apples, you would need to =
find=20
an orchard<BR>growing the old vintage varieties. =
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Or grow=20
your own--there are a number of nurseries that sell the old varieties. =
<BR>David Friedman<BR>Professor of Law<BR>Santa Clara=20
University<BR>ddfr at best.com<BR>http://www.best.com/~ddfr/=20
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