In a message dated 8/30/00 11:49:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Seton1355 at aol.com writes: << But I thought that that way, you'd get pretty close to a dice. >> You would but dice and shred are as different as black and white..... Ras The test of good manners is to be patient with bad ones.- Solomon Ibn Gabirol http://members.aol.com/AbhainnCG/