In a message dated 6/20/00 9:46:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ekoogler at chesapeake.net writes: << My lord has been making noises about planting some elderberry bushes for the berries...to make wine...hummmmmmmm. >> Keeping in mind that if you use the flowers to cook with...there won't BE any berries! (solution: plant several bushes) Etain