SC - Unhistoric things we serve WAS:Shepherds Pie

[RButler96@aol.com]

"Chinese style" does not necessarily predicate actual chinese-ness.  And
while the Ottoman empire was indeed evident in parts of _Western_
Europe, you have a long way to go before you convince me that what
someone might have eaten at one end of a very large empire was also
eaten at the other end....
There's so much wonderful medieval food out there, why even bother with
trying to justify new world/modern foods? If I want corn on the cob,
I'll go to the grocery store during the week, and if I want tacos or
pumpkin pie or baked potatoes w/sour cream or sweet chocolate desserts,
I'll eat them on my non-SCA time, of which there's plenty.  I reserve my
SCA weekends for something different, something not so mundane. 
Blatantly modern foods do as much to destroy the atmosphere I enjoy as
do other blatantly modern things (clothing, conversation topics, etc).
- --Maire, getting down off her soap box, now
- --Maire

JVButlerJr at aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 5/9/00 3:00:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> JGedney at dictaphone.com writes:
> 
> > It is one thing to say that they were eaten at some banquets in Imperial
> >  China, and one incident of them being sent to Asia Minor, but another to
> >  say that that makes them a standard item of fare in a Feast in a
> >  Eurocentric Society, celebrating Eurocentric events and activities.
> 
>     Oh goody... another chance for me to call "foul" on Western Eurocentrism.
> 
>     The documentation she mentioned includes several period recipes from
> Ottoman Turkey, all calling for tomatoes or tomato sauce.  (You remember the
> Ottomans, don't you?  At one point they ruled half of Europe, in case no one
> remembers.)
> 
>     Folks, lets try to remember that Europe is more than England, Spain,
> France, Germany, and Italy.  Or, as they say here in Trimaris, "Just 'cause
> it ain't Celt don't mean its not period."
> 
>     The documentation for the mummy/tomato seeds is a Discovery magazine,
> published this year (and no, I don't remember the issue number... mostly what
> I remember after she showed it to me was thinking "son of a gun").  As for
> "trading in bulk", apparently there was enough bulk traded to have an
> elephant appear on a wall of Inca heiroglypics.  And mummies in Mexico
> wearing Chinese-style jade jewelry.
> 
>     Conclusive proof?  Maybe not.  Overwhelming, even?  Maybe not.
> Convincing?  Yes.  Very.
> 
>     So be unconvinced if you insist.  But while you're at it, try to be less
> smug about it.
> 
>     Suleyman
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