SC - Pumpkins and such...

[Edgar, Terry]

Thank You for clearing that up for me.  It makes perfect sense.  

Rivka

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From: lilinah at earthlink.net [mailto:lilinah at earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 2:27 PM
To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org
Subject: RE: SC - Pumpkins and such...


>What is the difference between a remove and a course?  I have allways heard
>courses called "removes" ever since I have been in the SCA.  Everywhere I
go
>in fact.  Is this a common misconception? 
>
>Rivka

Since you just joined the list, you just missed this, as it passed 
through the list within the last month, but i'm unable to find the 
messages with the best discussion.

This is one of those topics that comes up frequently and has been 
spoken too far more eloquently and with greater depth of knowledge 
than i possess. However, based on what i have learned on this list 
from particularly knowledgeable members...

"Remove" and "course" are not at all synonymous and do not mean the 
same thing at all (although some other poster suggested they do)

"Remove" is a Victorian term for a dish WITHIN a course that is 
removed to be replaced by another dish - that is, the two dished are 
served in the same course, but have a particularly strong 
relationship to each other, such that one is commonly served with the 
other. Such as a particular soup which is removed to be replaced by a 
particular fish dish WITHIN the same course of the meal.

Members of the SCA "baaaaack in the ooooold daaaaays" didn't always 
do the best research, and frankly, the resource materials were often 
not available to them. So they took this Victorian term with a very 
specific meaning, and applied it to an entire course within a meal, a 
course generally being a set of food dishes that come out of the 
kitchen pretty much at the same time. After all, it sounded more 
archaic and old-fashioned than "course".

Research has shown that "course" is actually a period term applied 
exactly the way we mean it today in the SCA.

Those who care about a greater degree of authenticity use the term 
"course" and avoid the Victorian term "remove" erroneously applied to 
a course. It will be hard slogging for a while - i live at SCA ground 
zero - Kingdom of the West, Principality of the Mists, Province of 
the Mists, where we still have active members who joined in or close 
to year 0 and who persist in using "remove".

I believe the learned Master Adamantius had the best description. I 
can only hope that my summary is clear and not inaccurate.

Anahita al-shazhiyya


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