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A nice demonstration of the danger of confusing names with things. 
The word "pumpkin" is period. The vegetable we call "pumpkin" is New 
World.

The OED gives the earliest use of "pompion" as 1545 and the earliest 
use of "pumpkin" in the 17th c.
"Pepon," however, is given with an earliest usage in the late 14th 
century. The quote refers to gourds and pepons. That suggests that 
the word referred to something similar to a gourd--but it doesn't 
follow that it referred to what we now call a pumpkin.

The word "pompon," according to the OED, has nothing to do with 
pumpkins or gourds.

At 3:16 PM -0700 9/19/00, lilinah at earthlink.net wrote:
>Dear Cooks:
>
>We had a good discussion on this back when i first learned of the 
>cooking competition.
>
>The topic has arisen again on the West Kingdom list as our third 
>crown of the year draws nigh.
>
>Here is a message from the head of the Wooden Spoon, the West 
>Kingdom cooking group:
>
>---------------------
>From: "Heather Mayo" <hmayo at svbank.com>
>To: "'sca-west at rogues.net'" <sca-west at rogues.net>
>Subject: [SCA-West] Wooden Spoon at October Crown
>Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:25:34 -0700
>
>Lady Eileen here,
>I have been receiving e-mails concerning the Wooden Spoon competition for
>October Crown.  In case any of you don't get the page it is a dish
>containing pumpkin.  I have found at least 3 sources that document that
>pumpkin has been around since at least the mid 1400's.  It  has been called,
>"pepon, pompon, and pumpion".  Shakespeare referred to the "pumpion" in his
>Merry Wives of Windsor.  I also found an oil for cooking made from the seeds
>of a pumpkin from the Styria Region of Austria, that has been around for
>"hundreds of years".
>I thought that I would throw something out there that was fun (pumpkin close
>to Halloween), and somewhat of a challenge.
>I research each competition before I decide if it is one worth having.  I
>think that the more challenging it is the more I might get in the way of
>entries.
>Just think,....I really like pumpkin pie.....let's say I research and find
>out that it is actually a period dish just prepared differently than it is
>now.  (I know it isn't this is just an example of some one who hasn't
>entered an now might thinking how fun!!).
>I have even talked to people who weren't going to enter because pumpkin is
>not "period" and when I said yes it is just "late period" they said "Wow I
>think I will enter something".
>
>Lady Eileen Kathryn of Hareswood
>Stepping off the soapbox
>hmayo at svbank.com
>
>---------------------
>
>Anyone able to shed any light on this? My recollection of our 
>discussion is that while they were only discovered in the New World, 
>and thus primarily only available in the 16th century, no known 
>recipes for actual *pumpkin as we know it* exist in period.
>
>And what was the ancient pumpkin seed oil from Austria?
>
>Anahita al-shazhiyya
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