[Sca-cooks] Re: holding doors

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Being another Atlantian here, I have to say I agree it quite nice to see a
lady escorted into court.  As a matter of fact, we had one Baron in
Nottinghill Coill, who would call a certain lady into court to see if the
men would actually offer an escort (gee, can't think of who that Baron
was... *wink*)  Buit however, I have seen Gentleman escorted into court by
ladies, and my mad twin sister, the pre-emptive salvage expert when she
masquerades as a man, has offered escort to ladies when thier lords were
unavailible.  Whether or not the offer is accepted by a Lord or Lady, the
point should be that the offer is made.  Just my .02 you may disregard at
your leisure. :)
Meadh
Nottinghill Coill/Atlantia
----- Original Message -----
From: Bonne of Traquair <oftraquair at hotmail.com>
To: <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 5:34 PM
Subject: RE: Re: [Sca-cooks] Re: holding doors


> >On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Bonne of Traquair wrote:
> > > >BTW and in a similar vein how about going into court.  Opinions on if
> >all
> > > >women need tobe escorted into court
> > > >Maddalena
> > >
> > > Having been raised in Atlantia, I say of course.
>
>
> >I, a usual lurker here, am hereby forced out of lurkdom by this
statement.
> >I personally feel that if *I* am the one being honored, then it is up to
> >*me* as to the issue of having someone accompany me forward.
>
> I never said it was not up to the lady in question. Ladies do refuse
escort
> and walk up on their own, and it is no breach of etiquette or cause for
> comment and happens regularly.  (I take that back, it may be cause for
> comment if the lord of the lady in question is known to be on-site, if for
> no other reason than if he isn't escorting her, he must not be in court,
and
> isn't it a shame he isn't here to see her being appreciated by Their
> Majesties or Their Excellencies.)
>
> >If someone jumps out and starts to manhandle me by grabbing my
> >arm, they might get unexpectedly introduced to the law of momentum, as I
> >most likely outweigh you.
>
> If someone is manhandling, they are quite rudely missing the point.  Any
> effort beyond standing up within your line of sight and offering their arm
> for your convenience is the wrong thing to do.
>
> >
> >This rant is brought on by the disparity of honoring people. Gentlemen
are
> >not forced to be accompanied, and they are given the opportunity to enjoy
> >the individual spotlight of being honored.  By requiring a lady to be
> >escorted, it is implied that she is unable to do anything by herself.
>
> I interpret an excort it as a show of respect from her lord, or some other
> friend and an increase rather than dilution of the honors due her.
>
> >I realize
> >that most who take the 'lady must be escorted' view do not perceive
> >matters in this light.  And you are well within your rights to think so.
> >But that does not take into consideration the feelings and beliefs of the
> >person you are forcing your views upon.
>
> Forcing?  I merely stated what seems to be standard behavior, most likely
> the result of the SCA Kingdom of Atlantia being roughly parallel to a
> section of the world that long held onto courtly manners anyway.  I LIKE
> being escorted into court, it fits my definition of 'lady' and is
> historically correct.  I enjoy walking with my lord, I appreciate friends
> stepping up in my support in his absence.  That you see it differently is,
> as you said, 'well within your rights'.
>
> Lady Bonne
>
>
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