[Sca-cooks] Wine names

[Elaine Koogler]

To be honest, I was under the impression that Shiraz and Syrah were two
different types of red wine.  However, I just did a search on Google, and
found the following:

Syrah/Shiraz. This grape is known as Syrah in France and Shiraz in
Australia. In the United States, it can appear under either name...

It didn't give any clue as to pronounciation, but again, I guess I'm one of
those uneducated Americans...I have always pronounced Shiraz as Shi-raz,
with a soft i and emphasis on the last syllable, and Syrah as Si-rah, again
with a soft i and emphasis on the last syllable.

Kiri
----- Original Message -----
From: <sjk3 at cornell.edu>
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Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Wine names


> On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Laura C. Minnick wrote:
>
> >>>>extra Shiraz, dahling. I like the stuff.
> >>>
> >>> How do american's pronounce it? 'Sch-razz" or 'Syr-rah'?
> >>
> >>Americans are generally dopey. Those who know, of course, say "Syrah"...
but
> >>most American labels SPELL it "Syrah" for the damnfools who don't know
> >>better.
> >>
> >>Avraham
> >
> > Frankly, my dear, like many interesting words of foreign origin, I have
> > never heard this *pronounced* but by other ignorant Americans. Even my
> > sweetie, who knows more about these things that anyone has a right to
know,
> > has never said it aloud in my presence. So- how am I supposed to know
what
> > is correct, especially since it is from Australia and I haven't a clue
as
> > to the linguistic origins of the word?
> >
> > Damnfool 'Lainie
>
>     I'm another one who has never heard the word pronounced, so (before
> this e-mail came) I went and checked Webster's Third International
> Dictionary.  It said "sh- -razz" (with a schwa in the first syllable).
> Is this because it's an American dictionary?  Not being Iranian, I don't
> know how the city name is pronounced, but I would assume the h and z
> wouldn't be silent.  Or is this a different liquor altogether?
>
> Sandra
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