[Sca-cooks] Japanese Leaving Japan

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OK :) and holding wars in Korea or China is not traveling to Europe.

TIC, Elric
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From: "Barbara Nostrand" <nostrand at acm.org>
To: <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 1:00 AM
Subject: [Sca-cooks] Japanese Leaving Japan


> Lord Elric!
>
> Greetings from Solveig!
>
> ><< Again I also am not rabid about it but folks use the term "anyone who
> >Europeans could have had contact with between 600 and 1600"  And we get
all
> >these Janpanese personas. Oh we are visiting or traveling or whatever.  I
> >would think that if you were going to go that route the first thing you
> >might do is read a bit about Japanese Culture and the Country.  The
Japanese
> >DID NOT visit Europe, it was against the Japanese Law for anyone to leave
> >Japan. Punishable by death.  The Japanese are the worlds greatest
zenophobes
> >and racists. They did not go to Europe:)  The Chinese probably did but
the
> >Chinese are not Japanese. Out of era for us the Porteguese did bring
> >Japanese to Europe, mostly the monks converted by the church, the were
> >brought as "trophies" as it were. Oh well guess I would rather have
Japanese
> >personas (no ninjas please) than the folks with horns, tails, wings,
fangs
> >etc.
>
> I recommend that you follow your own adivice and start by reading Sansom's
> history of Japan and follow it with reading the Cambridge History of
Japan.
> While fervently believed, your assertions about the closure of Japan are
> simply counterfactual. Japan was not closed until the seventeenth century
> under as I recall the third Tokugawa Shogun. Among other things, we know
> that Japanese visited the pope in Rome during the sixteenth century.
> You can read about this in Sansom. The pope specifically insisted that
they
> enter the city rather regally sitting astride horses wearing Japanese
dress.
>
> Other excursions outside of Japan involve several Korean campaigns over
> a period of centuries, a Japanese adventurer seizing an Indochinese
country
> and making himself king, lots of monks studying in China, &c.
>
> As for means for getting to Europe. As I recall, there was at least one
> Japanese expedition to Europe which began with a trans-Pacific voyage on
> a Japanese owned ship which was partially crewed by Europeans in Japanese
> employ. They crossed Nuvo-Espania and took passage on a European ship and
> reached Europe.
>
> As for Chinese reaching Europe, I already posted a note about that. You
> can of course quibble as Raban Sauma was not a member of the Han ethnic
> group, but belonged to a Turkic ethnic group. However, what is now
> Beijing was his home from which he departed.
>
> Your Humble Servant
> Solveig Throndardottir
> Amateur Scholar
>
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