[Sca-cooks] OT: OOP recipe help

[Decker, Terry D.]

Fasoli derives from phaseolus which is mentioned in Pliny and other texts.
Phaseolus is differentiated from faba, so we aren't talking fava beans.  As
black-eyed peas are among the fasoli and are of Old World origin where the
other fasoli are of New World origin, the black-eyed pea is probably Pliny's
phaseolus and has been eaten in Europe for over 2000 years.

Apparently there is a dish similar to Hoppin John made in Sengal using beef
rather than pork.  There is no information as to how long the dish has been
made.

As to whether black-eyed peas are a period food stuff, you tell me after you
look at this webpage:

http://www.roanoke.edu/staff/long/ItalianBaroque/CaracciBean.htm

Bear


> From: "Kirsten Houseknecht" <kirsten at fabricdragon.com>
> > i am looking for recipes for Hopping John........
> > (black eyed peas dish served on New Years for good luck)
> >
> > AND if anyone can document its origens i would be very pleased.....
> are
> > black eyed peas even period???
> > Kirsten
>
> Bear responded some time back to one of my recipes that 'fasoli' or
> 'Kidney Bean' in Neapolitan Cuisine likely referred to
> something in the
> genus Vigna, which he described as including cowpea, black-eyed pea,
> yard-long bean, etc.).  That would be around mid 1400's to
> 1485, so that
> would suggest that if Bear is correct, then you have reason to believe
> they were a 'period' food stuff.
>
> niccolo difrancesco