[Sca-cooks] Sixteen Steps to Build an SCA Cooks Campfire

Stefan li Rous StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
Tue Nov 1 23:57:17 PST 2005


Capt. Elias replied to me with:
> > A small correction here. Charcoal was much more prominent by far,
> > however coal was being used by late period, especially in places  
> like
> > Scotland where forests were in short supply.
>
> depends on where and when...

Yes. I thought I had made that clear in my statement.

> For Phlip's persona, she is probably correct. Trees were much more
> common in Roman era Britain, and much less by Elizaethan times. That
> is what is wrong with just tossing out the word "period" without
> qualifiers.

Correct. Broad, absolute comments about our time period and  
geographical area are seldom true. Phlip didn't specify a time  
period, other than "in period". Since I didn't feel that was quite  
true, that is why I mentioned this small correction.

> > There is also this snippet from the ship-measure-msg file, although
> > it doesn't provide a date:
> >>>>
> > Because it required nothing more than the gross overall dimensions,
> > measurement in Tonnes became the generally accepted standard, and  
> the
> > other
> > measurements are infrequently used, except the Chaldron. That
> > measurement
> > was generally limited to the traffic moving through NewCastle on
> > Tyne or
> > the port of Tynesmouth, where "NewCastle coal" or "sea
> > coal" (because it
> > originally was gathered up as it washed ashore after a storm) was
> > mined and
> > shipped all over England, and to France. Coal was a staple of the
> > "coasting" Trade, along with Salt, Salted Herring, "raw" cloth, and
> > Grain.
> > "Coasting" is basically short range shipping practiced along the
> > coasts and
> > waterways of England.
>
> You are quoting me.

Yes. I probably should have kept in the message header, but most of  
your message was not on this subject and I felt folks might have  
thought my message was long enough already. I did say where I found  
the message so that anyone could go find the whole thing if they wished.

> My main reference was:
> Williams, N.J.,  Maritime Trade of the East Anglian ports; 1550 –
> 1590, New York: Oxford University Press 1988.
>
> You should consider that the time frame for that quotation.

Thank you. I will add this an editorial notation to the message in  
that file. It is nice to know that the phrase "NewCastle coal" is  
period. That, along with no date information, was what was making me  
think that this statement might actually be later than 1600.

Stefan
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