[Sca-cooks] *Sigh* That tomato thing - again

Chass Brown chass at allegiance.tv
Mon Oct 2 11:45:52 PDT 2006

Ahh but see not all of us are good at research. Tis where my wife and me
balance each other, but not all people have that support. The thing that
got me was he said "Common use" instead of just proof of use. 

Chass Brown A.K.A.
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Actually, around here (when spleens are not in vent) folks often ask for
support of whatever assertion is being made.  If someone finds evidence
of a
tomato useage and presents it in context of whatever was found, then
on.  If there is a generalization made that whatever reference makes the
tomato use ubiquitous and cultrually spread across several time/location
chuncks on the spectrum, then the logic leading to that is needed.

My actual preference is to find a way to interest people in learning
research, developing and testing hypotheses, reviewing available
and documentation, and presenting completed assertions for scrutiny of
peers or colleagues in a givena rea of research.  Learning/teaching
skills at the front end could possibly save lots of consternation along
way for everyone.

My perosnal interpretation of the general approach of responsible
is to avoid useage of such terms as "period" in the first place.  I ask
people to show me their evidence of use of X and the time/place of
contention.  "Period" ain't got any real traction for when and where
tomato-based pasta sauces were in common use and by whom.  We have
parameters for real knowledge and understanding in our little game of
Often times they are blurred for one or more reasons, like we are
covering 10 centuries of history, but have use when evaluating
I contend that they at least: TIME, PLACE, SOCIAL CLASS.  Your
may vary (YKMV).

Knowing how an assertion or claim or document touches each of these
gives me a general idea how to evaluate its place in our current body of
knowledge.  I understand that there are persons want to be the person
finds the definitive document that proves mashed potatoes, or tomatoes,
country fried chicken, or modern pizza, or hershey's chocolate, or
gin, or barbequed pork sandwiches are "period".  If those people are
for the one piece of evidence that allows everyone to free wheel and
fried chicken, mashed potaotes, stewed tomatoes and chocolate merigue
for a "period" feast any time they want . . . . then I suspect there
will be
some significant resistance from the "food people".  If those
are looking to expand the general understanding of those food items and
their assimilation into the various foodways of time-place-economic
then the resistance will be much less.  I see these approaches as two
many) arms of the multi-faceted continuum of the research.

niccolo difrancesco
(who believes there is no "magic bullet" for these cusp food items that
become the hero-quest of new people every few months or so)

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