[Sca-cooks] Drunken Royal Concubine Chicken

[Phil Troy / G. Tacitus Adamantius]

On Sep 22, 2006, at 4:39 PM, hlaislinn at earthlink.net wrote:

> Urtatim wrote:
>
> Stories are nice, and often used to "justify" recipes, but is this
> actually an ancient or SCA period dish?
>
> I did disclaim any knowlege that the meat cakes were actually  
> period, and I would say the same goes for the other recipe from  
> whatever book it's from. I just posted the chicken-concubine story  
> in the hopes that it would jog Adamantius' memory of which book he  
> has that the recipes are in.

I can't find my copy now, but the Mongolian Meatloaf recipe (anybody  
else remember the episode of "The Honeymooners" in which it is  
mentioned that the Gleason character has a special fondness for  
"Neapolitan Knockwurst" -- unfortunately, they never reveal what this  
is) is in either of two books by Katie Stewart, one of them being  
"Wild Blackberry Cobbler And Other Old-Fashioned Recipes". I  
remembered the recipe, and had a sort of picture of the book's cover  
in my head, and searched for cookbooks with "Blackberry Cobbler" in  
the title, until I found one that sounded familiar. Johnnae, using  
whatever fiendish resources at her own disposal, agrees with me.

> I'd like to know just to add the source to the bottom of the recipe  
> page in my research book.

The book is here:

http://www.amazon.com/Blackberry-Cobbler-Other-Old-Fashioned-Recipes/ 
dp/0881620645/sr=1-1/qid=1158959072/ref=sr_1_1/104-9835564-4431140? 
ie=UTF8&s=books

I have no idea what, if any, historical source was used by the author.

I _think_ the chicken recipe may be in there, too.

> The feastcrat used Al-Bagdadi for other recipes in her feast, so  
> she was aware of some medieval sources, most likely The Miscellany  
> I would think. At least your forwarded post  said it resembles  
> period recipes you are aware of, so the meat cake dish is  
> periodoid, which isn't so bad. I wonder if the kotletki dish from  
> Russia has its roots in this mongol food type? Being nomadic,  
> wouldn't the Mongols have eaten somekind of falafel-type dish too?  
> The Arab nomads managed to fry that, why couldn't the mongols fry  
> food also?

Just something to think about, but if I may ask, why do you think  
nomads fried a felafel-type dish? I don't know myself; maybe they  
did, but it sounds like it might be an inefficient use of fuel for a  
nomad. And then, there's the question of, what the heck do you do  
with the oil after you've used it, and/or how do you carry it?

Sheesh, after I've deep-fried anything, I can't even bring myself to  
do more than hide the pan in the oven, generally until the next day ;-)

Adamantius