[Sca-cooks] Sca-cooks Digest, Vol 16, Issue 55

Tue Aug 28 10:30:04 PDT 2007

Thank you Petru.  I had heard of the 'Tender Meat under the Saddle' but
had not considered the other.

Khadir 

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Vanilla [was: Sweet chocolate, Modican chocolate (OOP --
      maybe)] (Johnna Holloway)
   2. A request for sources on Khazar,	or Caspian Sea foods in the
      7th through 11th C
      (Steinfeld,	Henry S CIV NAVAIR PMA-209T&E/AIR 1.6.3)
   3. Re: lamb with chocolate (devra at aol.com)
   4. Re: A request for sources on Khazar, or Caspian Sea	foods in
      the 7th through 11th C (Patrick Levesque)
   5. Dessert Class from Pennsic (Cennet Bahcesi)
   6. Re: Dessert Class from Pennsic (Johnna Holloway)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:27:11 -0400
From: Johnna Holloway <johnna at sitka.engin.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Vanilla [was: Sweet chocolate, Modican
	chocolate (OOP -- maybe)]
To: Christiane <christianetrue at earthlink.net>,	Cooks within the SCA
	<sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <46D2FB5F.8030702 at sitka.engin.umich.edu>
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You may want to read The True History of Chocolate by Sophie D. Coe
(Author), Michael D. Coe (Author)

A second edition is being published.
List Price:$21.95 Thames & Hudson; October 29, 2007) No mention if this
has new material or not.

Johnnae

Christiane wrote:
> So the Spanish would have been familiar with Aztec chocolate drinks
flavored with vanilla, or honey, or hot pepper, or maybe even all three.
And the presence of vanilla in sweets is thanks to the Spanish as well
... Do you know, or does anyone know, how quickly did vanilla show up in
recipes?
>
> Gianotta
>   

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:32:24 -0400
From: "Steinfeld,	Henry S CIV NAVAIR PMA-209T&E/AIR 1.6.3"
	<Henry.Steinfeld at navy.mil>
Subject: [Sca-cooks] A request for sources on Khazar,	or Caspian Sea
	foods in the 7th through 11th C
To: <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
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Greetings to the list,
I did a search to see if this has come up and it has not yet.  I am
researching my persona which is Khazar, 9th C and looking for
appropriate foods of the region.  The Khazars resided in the Steppes
region around the Caspian sea to Kiev.  Their influence included the
Magyars, Huns, pre-Kievan Rus, Bulgars and were distant relatives of the
Mongols, Semitic Jews and were considered to be a Turkic people.
Religiously, they were Shamanists, Muslim, Christian and Jew and they
generally lived within their Kagantate in a tolerant  peace.

If you have sources I can investigate (preferably translated) please let
me know.  If you have recipes from this region, that would be great, I
would like to do the redactions.  (I will happily take redacted as well)
So far I have found little that can be documented to the region.  

Thanks
Khadir bar Yosef

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:03:19 -0400
From: devra at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] lamb with chocolate
To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org
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"...strange pastries filled with lamb and chocolate..."

Ah, the source of the Chocolate Easter Lamb is now revealed...

No, really, I don't think that 0- it's just a silly joke.  The Chocolate
Bunny, on the other hand...

Devra, slowly recovering from Pennsic

   And I do not currently stock 'Food & Drink in Medieval Poland', but
will do so if people request it

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:30:23 -0400
From: Patrick Levesque <petruvoda at videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] A request for sources on Khazar, or Caspian
	Sea	foods in the 7th through 11th C
To: "Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>"
	<sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
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Greetings!

The closest thing that springs to mind is 'Tender Meat Under the
Saddle', a collection of essays which examines the food habits of the
nomads in the Hungarian plains. The time period is about right too.
Devra used to stock it (it's her fault I got a copy!)?

You may want to check Byzantine annals - if I remember correctly they
did have diplomatic relationship with the Khazars. You will probably
find a few descriptions of customs and even eating habits, if you're
lucky.

Petru

On 27/08/07 13:32, "Steinfeld,  Henry S CIV NAVAIR PMA-209T&E/AIR 1.6.3"
<Henry.Steinfeld at navy.mil> wrote:

> Greetings to the list,
> I did a search to see if this has come up and it has not yet.  I am 
> researching my persona which is Khazar, 9th C and looking for 
> appropriate foods of the region.  The Khazars resided in the Steppes 
> region around the Caspian sea to Kiev.  Their influence included the 
> Magyars, Huns, pre-Kievan Rus, Bulgars and were distant relatives of 
> the Mongols, Semitic Jews and were considered to be a Turkic people.
> Religiously, they were Shamanists, Muslim, Christian and Jew and they 
> generally lived within their Kagantate in a tolerant  peace.
> 
> If you have sources I can investigate (preferably translated) please 
> let me know.  If you have recipes from this region, that would be 
> great, I would like to do the redactions.  (I will happily take 
> redacted as well) So far I have found little that can be documented to
the region.
> 
> Thanks
> Khadir bar Yosef
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:40:04 -0500
From: "Cennet Bahcesi" <cennet.bahcesi.coffeehouse at gmail.com>
Subject: [Sca-cooks] Dessert Class from Pennsic
To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
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Hello,

During Pennsic, a lady who's name unfortunately escapes me, taught a
class at Your Inner Vagabond on period Middle Eastern desserts. Due to
the slightly wet weather of the event, my handout got ruined. I had
hoped that maybe she would be on this list and be able to email me the
handout....or that somebody on this list might have access to her and/or
the handout.

Thanks

Jibril / Brad

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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:03:59 -0400
From: Johnna Holloway <johnna at sitka.engin.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Dessert Class from Pennsic
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <46D32E2F.9040408 at sitka.engin.umich.edu>
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You might want to browse the Pennsic class schedule and get the full
details for the class. It's still online at
http://www.pennsicwar.org/penn36/AANDS/PENNU/pennsic_classes_on_2007-07-
31.html

Then you can try goggling the instructor's name and see if she can be
located that way.

Johnnae

Cennet Bahcesi wrote:
> Hello, During Pennsic, a lady who's name unfortunately escapes me, 
> taught a class at Your Inner Vagabond on period Middle Eastern 
> desserts. Due to the slightly wet weather of the event, my handout got

> ruined. I had hoped that maybe she would be on this list and be able 
> to email me the handout....or that somebody on this list might have
access to her and/or the handout.
> Thanks  Jibril / Brad
>
>   

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