[Sca-cooks] Gastronomica on Spice Trade, Apicius and Martino
Stefan li Rous
StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
Fri Jun 1 22:31:38 PDT 2007
<<< Someone had a reference back there to chile and tomatoes being
Europe by Cris Colon. He could have but American foods took about 150
years to set in. >>>
Uh, not quite right. It is fairly easy to find examples of New World
foods which were accepted in Europe pretty quickly and others which
didn't catch on until 1600 CE or later. Generally the closer a New
World food item was to a European variety, the faster it got accepted.
The two you mention above are examples of each situation.
Tomatoes did not catch on until mid to late 16th century or later. On
the otherhand, chili peppers caught on fairly quickly.
Pineapples were another quickly accepted item, because they were sweet.
Potatoes were late, although Sweet Potatoes were accepted quicker
than white potatoes.
I don't remember how quickly New World beans caught on, but they
eventually drove out the cultivation and eating of most European beans.
For an overview of this acceptance of various New World foods take a
look at these Florilegium files.
fd-New-World-msg (24K) 4/29/07 16th C. food of and from the New
maize-msg (62K) 1/11/06 Discovery of maize (Indian corn)
Americas and its introduction
turkeys-msg (64K) 10/15/04 Use of turkeys in Renaissance
Turkeys-a-GB-art (6K) 12/14/05 "On Turkeys and Great Birds" by
(Turkey's were accepted very quickly, perhaps because they
resembled European birds such bustards(?). )
16C-Tomato-art (16K) 9/ 5/02 "Sixteenth Century Italian and
Tomato References" by Johnnae
Helewyse de Birkestad, and
peppers-msg (50K) 3/ 1/05 The introduction of peppers to
potatoes-msg (89K) 1/23/05 Period white and sweet potato
tomato-hist-art (18K) 2/ 1/99 "You say tomato I say Xitomatl"
Xaviar the Eccentric.
Tomatoes-art (22K) 10/15/06 "Love, Death or Mere Curiosity?
in Renaissance Europe" by
Kestryl of Highwynds
tomatoes-msg (34K) 1/17/05 Tomatoes in period.
<<< At first the plants were put on display like Japanese
plants today. No one knew what to do with them. Even Granado's cookbook
during Philip II's reign in Spain includes only a couple of American
Which were these?
<<< It is not until Philip IV the next century or the
commencement of the Borbon reign in 1700 in Spain that you can begin to
see their incorporation in Spanish cooking.>>>
Nope. See the above files. Spain and Italy were often the first
places many New World foods were first eaten, but many were being
eaten long before the 1700s. Maize was being incorporated in polenta
in northern Italy before then. However, Italy and Spain were not the
only countries to quickly accept some New World foods. The "turkey"
is called that because it was accepted in Turkey first and then was
accepted from there to other parts of Europe.
Perhaps Lady Brighid can fill you in more on the Spanish manuscripts
which include New World foods. I don't remember if there are any New
World foods in her translation of Ruperto de Nola's 1529 "Libre del
Coch" or not, but she may be familiar with later manuscripts as well.
THLord Stefan li Rous Barony of Bryn Gwlad Kingdom of Ansteorra
Mark S. Harris Austin, Texas
StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
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