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[Guenièvre de Monmarché]

There is a reference to this in a book on Oaths as part of English knighting
rituals... but it's not something the knight says himself, but rather a
scripted encounter... Hopefully this link works, it'll go straight to the
source, in theory.

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http://books.google.com/books?id=49AKhhLZUP4C&pg=PA307&lpg=PA307&dq=knight+oath+spurs+cook&source=web&ots=THbHaiwvTY&sig=9VjAgf_EUrmEjIiaiGld_EiUccY&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=9&ct=result#PPA309,M1>

Guenievre




On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Karen Moon <lathyrus at grandecom.net> wrote:

> Greetings all!
>
> I just joined the list, and I pray you excuse the fact that my first post
> is one
> asking for assistance.  My name's Mari ferch Rathyen, I'm from Ansteorra
> (hi
> guys!) but, alas, I've been pretty much inactive for the past 2 years
> because I
> went back to school.  Speaking of which...
>
> I'm currently working on a paper for my senior seminar regarding the
> Arthurian
> character of Sir Kei (or Cei, or Kay, etc.) and his devolution from an
> early
> Welsh giant-slaying super-hero to a bitter, bullying character who always
> seems
> to lose his fights, and how this may have been influenced by his
> association
> with the kitchens.  Chretien de Troyes seems mostly to blame for this, but
> then
> you also have a society that is shifting from subsistence level (where
> people
> who give you food are well respected) to having more leisure time (where
> people
> who bring you food are servants.)  But I digress.
>
> My specific problem?  I distinctly remember having documentation for a
> knightly
> oath -- like the kind they swear when they're being knighted -- where the
> young
> knights says that if he does anything wrong, may the cook come out of the
> kitchen and strike off his spurs -- the implication being that having a
> cook
> strike off one's spurs was far more shameful than anyone else (in court, I
> suppose) doing it. (Meaning no offense to any of the cooks here, of
> course.)
>
> Now, I *thought* the source for that was "Fast and Feast", but of course,
> when I
> toddle over to my bookshelves, I can't *find* "Fast and Feast" (most likely
> because I've lent it to someone and lost track of it, which, yes, will
> teach me
> not to do that any more, but doesn't really help me now.)
>
> So, finally, my request: does *anyone* remember the oath I've described --
> I'm
> fairly certain I didn't imagine it -- and if so, *did* it come from "Fast
> and
> Feast"?  And if not, do you remember *where* it came from?
>
> If anyone knows and can point me in the proper direction, I shall be
> eternally
> grateful, and I'm sure the blessings of St. Katherine of Alexandria, patron
> of
> frantic students, will be upon you.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Mari ferch Rathyen
> (currently a very frantic student)
>
>
>
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