[Sca-cooks] Above/Below the Salt was Greetings

[James of the Vayle]

Oooh, I have yet againg expanded my learning with medieval cooking...We of
course are just using the above/below salt to haveand excuse to plan an
expensive and and not so expensive feast.  Have others worded this
differently in the past for such a feast?

James

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Suey <lordhunt at gmail.com> wrote:

> Terry Decker wrote:
> > Interesting that all these references are 15th or 16th Century.
> >
> > Bear
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > There?s a 1597?
> >
> > *1597* Bp. Hall /Sat./ ii. vi, That he do, on no default, Euer presume
> > to sit aboue the salt.
> >
> > ? *1599* B. Jonson /Cynthia's Rev./ ii. ii. (1616) 200 Hee neuer drinkes
> > below the salt.
> >
> > ? *1602* Dekker /Honest Wh./ D, Set him beneath the salt and let him not
> > touch a bit, till euery one has had his full cut.
> >
> > ? *1658* /Wit Restor'd/ 43 Hee..humbly sate Below the Salt, and munch'd
> > his Sprat.
> >
> > also
> >
> > now it is well knowen, that saltabove all other things causeth
> leannesse.
> > Plutarch The philosophie 1603
> >
> > You nere presume to fit above the salt, from  1639
> >
> > The unnaturall combat. A tragedie. The sc?ne Marsellis. Written by
> > Philip Massinger. As it was presented by the Kings Majesties Servants at
> > the Globe.
> >
> > 1609 Dekker /Gull's Horn-bk./ Wks. (Grosart) II. 244 You may giue any
> > Iustice of peace, or yong Knight (if he sit but one degree towards the
> > Equinoctiall of the Salt-seller) leaue to pay for the wine.
> >
> > I suspect we'll have to dig into the books of manners for this.
> >
> > Johnnae
> >
> >
> >
> >
> I have spent the afternoon trying to disprove this but all I come up
> with is that no one wrote about it much when the nef was a salt cellar
> in English or Spanish perhaps we should be looking more at French and
> German. From the 16th C on we have trencher salt in England so the nef
> becomes a table ornament only but some of the prettiest museum pieces
> are before the 16th C. Florilegium has at least two pieces mentioning
> the nef but they do not satisfy this question as far as I can see. Yes,
> I tried Furnivall's Babees' Book. I sure there must be something there
> but did not hit upon it. Hendrick's Fast and Feast leaves me hot and
> cold. Like Wilson at times I question where her information is from.
> Suey
>
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