[Sca-cooks] Period Shabbat

Susan Lin susanrlin at gmail.com
Mon Aug 24 12:36:10 PDT 2009

A Jewish person who chooses to follow a stricter interpretation of Jewish
life (I do take exception to the term observant because I too am observant,
just in a different way) would not be allowed to carry nor are they allowed
to ask anyone to carry or do for them.  It all must appear to be the idea of
the offering individual.

Also, please know that the terms "Orthodox, Conservative, Reform and
Reconstructionist" are all modern terms.  Prior to the 1800's a Jew was a
Jew was a Jew and no distinction was made to a particular type.  Reform
Judaism as a movement began in approximately 1810, Conservative Judaism in
1845 and Orthodox in the middle 1800's (1860's).  I must be honest that I
know little and understand less of the Reconstructionist movement except
that it dates from 1968.  Ashkenazi and Sephardic are two branches one being
roughly from Europe (starting in Germany/France and moving east) and the
other from North Africa/Spain.

It is complex to mix moder Judaism and ancient Judaism in our society.  It
would be an interesting class to set out the distinctions.


On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Saint Phlip <phlip at 99main.com> wrote:

> Well, I ran into this at an event a while back. Had some really nice
> observant Jewish folks camping with us at the event, and they were
> quite interested in my smithing, but also in, if possible, borrowing
> some of my charcoal. It was rather like playing 20 questions, to see
> if I could help them out a bit, but I did determine, finally, that
> while they could not carry the charcoal themselves, and while they
> could not ask me to carry or cause to be carried the charcoal to their
> camp, once I figured out the problem, and volunteered my apprentice to
> carry the charcoal over for them, it was fine.
> However, I'm thinking that those of you who do go to events while
> keeping strict Kosher would be more helpful to us poor non- Jews if
> perhaps you might have a small pamphlet or something to make available
> to Troll or someplace else, that will allow us to help you without
> violating your rules of conduct. After all, we may not always think of
> the right questions to ask- and I have no doubt that most of us are
> quite willing to do whatever is necessary to help you have the most
> pleasant possible event experience. After all, I certainly know that I
> couldn't do much of what I do to set up for events without the help of
> others. We're all in this together, folks ;-)
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Judith Epstein<judith at ipstenu.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Aug 23, 2009, at 10:21 PM, Barbara Nostrand wrote:
> >
> >> Noble Cousin!
> >>
> >> Greetingts from Solvieg!
> >>
> >>> No "work" is permitted to Jews on Sabbath, except that "work" is not a
> >>> correct translation of the word "melachah." From what I can discover,
> >>> melachah is related to the word melech, which means king. Thus, what is
> >>> prohibited are acts of mastery/sovereignty, that is, over the physical
> >>> world.
> >>
> >> Ahh. Interesting etymology. However, the key component of forbidden work
> >> is making, and the list of forbidden melachot is supposed to derive from
> >> those activities involved in constructing the mishkan.
> >
> > I'm aware of this interpretation as well, yes. But saying that doesn't
> > really help those who aren't at all familiar with the Jewish definitions
> and
> > derivations of "work."
> >
> > Judith
> >
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> Saint Phlip
> Heat it up
> Hit it hard
> Repent as necessary.
> Priorities:
> It's the smith who makes the tools, not the tools which make the smith.
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