[Sca-cooks] OT- Peerage Oaths

[Susan Lin]

I guess what I meant to say is that some Kingdoms do not create MoA and as
we have seen from other replies - they don't.  I would hope that any Kingdom
that does not create them would still honor those that have received the
title in other Kingdoms.

I know the East has MoA but I do not think the Outlands does (at least not
"homemade" ones)

-S

On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Celia des Archier <CeliadesArchier at cox.net
> wrote:

> Shoshanna said:
> <<Just so long as your Kingdom recognizes a MoA as I understand some do
> not.
> Or to be more correct I understand that some Kingdoms would never create a
> MoA for any number of reasons.  Someone in one of those Kingdoms who could
> not (for whatever reason) swear fealty would not ever have the opportunity
> to be a member of the Chivalry.>>
>
> Hmmm... I didn't realize it was an option.  I understood that the orders of
> Chivalry, as well as the other Peerage, were Society
> wide orders.  Yes, I realize that some customs surrounding the Peerage are
> Kingdom wide customs, and one enters the Peerage at a
> Kingdom level, but the orders themselves were established at a Society
> level is my understanding.
>
> This is also born out by the fact that the New Members' Guide) and (IIRC -
> I don't have my copy in front of me) the KWH both
> describe the Orders of Chivalry.
> "The Order of Chivalry of the SCA consists of two equal subdivisions,
> Knighthood and Mastery of Arms. Knights are outstanding
> fighters who have received recognition for their fighting skills, together
> with their non-martial abilities and courtliness.  They
> strive to be the very models of Courtesy and Chivalry. Only a Knight is
> permitted to wear a solid white belt, unadorned chain, and
> spurs. Knights are required to swear fealty to the Crown at the time they
> are admitted to the Order. They are addressed as 'Sir' or
> 'Dame.' Members of this Order who choose not to swear fealty to the Crown
> are known as Masters at Arms and wear a white baldric.
> They are addressed as 'Master' or 'Mistress.'"  - ("A New Members' Guide to
> the Society for Creative Anachronism" pp. 9-10
>
> Now, as this is an official Society publication, offered through the stock
> clerk's office, I would expect it to be accurate and that
> the custom would be society wide.  At least as of the copyright date
> (2000.)  Have things changed since then?
>
> So, does anyone belong to a Kingdom where they don't have Masters of Arms?
> Shoshonna, which Kingdom(s) do you understand not to
> acknowledge them?
>
> In service,
> Celia
>
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