[Sca-cooks] Passover cakes

David Walddon david at vastrepast.com
Fri Nov 20 22:59:39 PST 2009

Very interesting discussion.
We attend a friends Seder every year and they ALWAYS have an Orange on the
Seder plate and they always tell the original story and the adapted story.
We appreciate the original story!

On 11/20/09 9:02 AM, "Craig Daniel" <teucer at pobox.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Susan Lin <susanrlin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Simple is good.  What Adamantius said.
> I dunno, I find the discussion of the specifics intriguing -
> particularly the way they vary from one community to the next.
> It makes me wonder, though, about period Passover. Which of those
> rules were in effect when? Obviously, the proscription against
> leavening has been present since well before the SCA's period, but at
> what time did the rule against kitniot appear among the Ashkenazim?
> How old is the Egyptian custom of avoiding chickpeas? How old is the
> non-gebrokt restriction, for those that observe it? Were there any
> similar traditions found in period Jewish communities that are no
> longer practiced?
> How about other aspects of passover food? The family whose seder I
> attended every year while in college had a tradition of collecting
> charoset recipes from around the world, and serving not only the
> traditional Ashkenazi apple charoset but also favorites of theirs from
> Jewish communities elsewhere, including a really cool North African
> (IIRC) version made with dates and plenty of spices. I wonder what
> charoset was like among different period Jewish communities. Does any
> written documentation about what went into it survive?
> For that matter, what about other details of Passover? Would the
> details of a very traditional modern Haggadah match those of a period
> one? Clearly traditions change - the practice among some Reform
> families of putting an orange on the seder plate is an enlightening
> example here; since we know exactly when it was introduced and by who,
> it's possible to verify that even over a few decades it's changed what
> it means to most of the people who do it. But the importance of the
> traditions of the past keeps these things from happening very quickly
> or very often, so it's only natural that many aspects of the holiday
> go back many centuries.
>  - Jaume
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