[Sca-cooks] medieval ascetics menus

Ana Valdés agora158 at gmail.com
Sun Oct 11 07:07:56 PDT 2009

I went to church today and the homily was about the young Antonius. He gave
all his wealth to the poor and lived as an eremite in the desert for many
years. He was the predecesor of the monastic orders. His diet, as it was
described by some of the writings of the Church fathers, was water from a
source nearby, wild honey and desert figs. Radical vegan?

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Sharon Palmer <ranvaig at columbus.rr.com>wrote:

>   > WHAT were these guys (and gals?) eating? Seems easier to
>>  > day what was left than what they didn't eat.
> A vegan diet is a pretty modern thing, the rules were different in the
> middle ages.  And while they may not have had new world foods, but they ate
> a lot of fruits and vegetable that are nearly forgotten now.
> I need to put together a list of the vegetables and fruits that are listed
> in Rumpolt.  Although it is far from vegan, there are dozens of recipes for
> dried peas and old world beans, and maybe a hundred or more vegetables and
> fruits mentioned.  It wouldn't be hard to pick out a vegan meal from there.
>  Rumpolt is the source I'm most familiar with, I'm sure the larger, late
> period Italian cookbooks would be even better.
>  I tend of think
>>>  of a vegan diet as being extremely limited and if not done
>>  > with care, a good recipe for malnutrition.
> This is getting pretty OOP,  but from what I've read, aside from vitamin
> B12, a vegan adult that eats a varied diet has little risk of malnutrition,
> unless they simply do not eat enough calories.   There are plenty of vegan
> foods that provide protein and other nutrients. It's pretty hard not to get
> enough protein unless you are starving. The human body is pretty adaptable.
> A diet of vegetables, legumes, and grain can include dried peas with barley
> or wheat bread in Europe, corn and beans in the new world, dal and rice in
> India, soybeans and rice in China and Japan.  Few people are completely
> vegan from choice, but world wide, there are many that seldom can afford
> meat.  A vegetable based, largely vegan diet is low fat, and can be very
> healthy.
> I've read bad things about babies that were fed a strict vegan diet without
> breast milk, but it sounds as though they may not have been fed enough and
> babies are meant to drink human milk.   Weaned children that eat a
> completely vegan diet should have vitamins, and be checked to be sure they
> are thriving.
> Many children self-impose an even stricter diet.  When my nephew was 2 and
> 3, he'd eat jar baby bananas (but not fresh ones), canned baked beans, plain
> pasta, and not much else.  (No, his parents weren't vegan, he was just
> fussy.  We've talked about fussy kids lately, and I don't want to go there).
>  The kid is 6 foot now.
> I've been vegetarian and semi-vegetarian since 1976.   For the last decade
> I eat fish two or three times a month.   I eat eggs and dairy. Vegetarian
> not vegan.  I don't care for meat, or for milk as a beverage.  I love
> vegetables.  I've never felt deprived.
> Most of the modern vegan cookbooks I've seen are less about vegetables than
> a certain political viewpoint and are full of processed meat substitutes and
> soy "cheese".  Yuck.  I try to avoid processed foods, don't want to eat fake
> meat, and am far too fond of good cheese to give it up completely.
> Ranvaig
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