[Sca-cooks] More on sapa/saba
Stefan li Rous
StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
Tue Jun 22 00:45:18 PDT 2010
We have apparently discussed sapa/saba at least once before. In looking through the Florilegium, I found this following message in the grapes-msg file. I will be moving it to the new sapa-msg file, though.
Hauviette seems to be saying that boiling the fresh wine gets you defrutum, while letting it evaporate gets you sapa/saba/sabba, at least according to Platina. I'm not sure that the result would be much different between boiling the juice or letting it evaporate.
"Must" is filtered grape juice, correct? Not smushed grapes, which would also include the skin and flesh and other bits.
Would you consider sapa/saba/sabba to be a condiment? Or an ingredient? I'm trying to decide where to put this new file in the Florilegium.
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:37:55 EDT
From: ChannonM at aol.com
Subject: SC - Re: Poppa's mustard- mighty morphin cookers(daa da da, da da) LONG
> Scully says that must is grape juice that has been boiled down until
> syrupy. He uses undiluted frozen grape juice concentrate for his
> redactions. This might be a good thing to use for cooks not using
> alcohol. It was either Pliny or Cato that tossed the sealed bottles of
> must into the fish pond to keep them from spoiling, which also argues
> that must was not fermented.
Platina says on Grapes (Milham translation pg141)
Ex uva concocta in aheno sapa sit, ex puro et expresso musto in defrutariis
vasis defrutum. Mustum enim decoctum defrutum vocatur, unde et defrutare
mustum coqure diciums; sapa tamen defruti vice nonnumquam utimur in
condiendis pomis ac piris
"Condensed grape is made from grapes boiled down in a pot, while condensed
must is made from pure must which has been condensed in special defrutum
jars. Cooked-down must is called defrutum, from which we call to cook down
must defrutare, however in seasoning apples and pears we sometimes use
condensed grape in place of condensed must"
The translation "condensed must is made from pure must" leads me to believe
there are two different musts, one that has already been condensed, the other
not. In the recipe for Red mustard(according to Milham)
"Sinampim, passulas, sandalos, buccellas panis tostas, cinnami parum, aut
seorsum aut simul contertito, cvel molito. Trita cum acresta aut aceto cumque
modico sapae dissolvito, in patinasque per setaceum transagito. Hoc minu
praedicto concalefacit, ac sitim movet, nec incommode nutrit."
They key phrase is;
"Trita cum acresta aut aceto cumque modico sapae dissolvito
"When it is ground, soak with verjuice or vinegar and a bit of must"
The original recipe does not contain the word defrutum but contains the word
"sapae" which when doing some morphological research (sounds more impressive
than saying I'm looking in a dictionary ;), the word sapa (in lewis and short
dictionary) defined as "must, new wine boiled thick". This does not convince
me though that the original did intend defrutum as Platina indicates it is
evaporation and not boiling that reduces the liquid to make defrutum.
All of the following words are similar in meaning to sapa, so we have alot to
Anyone else want to give this a shot? Maybe some of our Latin language
people? I'm almost hopeless.
THLord Stefan li Rous Barony of Bryn Gwlad Kingdom of Ansteorra
Mark S. Harris Austin, Texas StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
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