[Sca-cooks] Spices

[CHARLES POTTER]

   Sorry too take so long to get back to you, but it took me a while to look this up.
Long pepper is listed as pepe longo on page 6 in the 1564 Libro Novo.  It is also 
listed as one word (pepelongo) in the PDF 1549 Banchetti.
In both books it is listed as an ingredient in the 3rd recipe to wit: A FARE SOSAMELLI PERFETTISSIMI NV (sig) MERO (sig) XXXVI
TO MAKE 36 OF THE MOST PERFECT COOKIES.  It is called pevere longo in the recipe i.e long pepper.  I think it is used in one or two 
more recipes, but I have not been able to find any more right now.

                                                               Master B   

> From: david at vastrepast.com
> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 20:05:38 -0800
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> Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Spices
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> What is the Italian? 
> Which page of the facsimile? 
> Would love to look at it. 
> 
> Eduardo 
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> On Jan 15, 2012, at 7:34 PM, CHARLES POTTER wrote:
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> > 
> > The Banchetti/Libro Novo uses long pepper in a few recipes and lists in the section on things to have in the larder.
> > 
> >                                        Master B
> > 
> >> From: david at vastrepast.com
> >> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 13:39:43 -0800
> >> To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Spices
> >> 
> >> This brings up an interesting question. 
> >> When a manuscript just says pepper we all seem to assume they mean regular black pepper (or at least we use it because it is handy). 
> >> IIRC the Early English stuff seems to differentiate between long pepper and pepper but the Italian corpus (of which I am most familiar) doesn't seem to say anything but pepper. 
> >> Should we be using modern pepper? 
> >> Should we be using one of the long peppers? 
> >> Really let's not go there on chili peppers. 
> >> 
> >> Eduardo 
> >> 
> >> On Jan 14, 2012, at 1:16 PM, Terry Decker wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Ahh, Piper longum is the more common long pepper.  It is also referred to as Indian long pepper.  Piper retrofractum is a related pepper plant native to Java called Balinese long pepper or Javanese long pepper.  If both were used at Hampton Court in Tudor times, that is an interesting tidbit.
> >>> 
> >>> Bear
> >>> 
> >>>> Greetings!  I hadn't been aware that there were two (or more??) kinds of long pepper until I visited Hampton Court.  I was given a tiny bit of the second variety (name unknown) which ended up being so spicy that my tongue was numbed.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Alys K.
> >>>> -- 
> >>>> Elise Fleming
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