[Sca-cooks] Sca-cooks Digest, Vol 77, Issue 17

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>Today's Topics:
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>   1. Re: wild rabbit (otsisto)
>   2. Re: What happened to you Mr. and Mrs. Scrooge? (Sharon Palmer)
>   3. Re: wild rabbit (Terry Decker)
>   4. Re: wild rabbit (Terry Decker)
>   5. Re: wild rabbit (otsisto)
>   6. The original fairy tales (Stefan li Rous)
>   7. Re: wild rabbit (Crandall)
>   8. Re: The original fairy tales (Terry Decker)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 23:47:15 -0500
>From: "otsisto" <otsisto at socket.net>
>To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
>Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] wild rabbit
>Message-ID: <IDEHICPIJOEBPADHEOGPIEHBCNAB.otsisto at socket.net>
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>I have only heard of the plague from 1992. A bunch of prairie dogs died off
>and it was found that they had the plague through the fleas. The plague and
>tu????, transference is usually when one is skinning and handling the animal
>without gloves. Wear gloves when checking your kill and dressing it. Also,
>(brother lives south of Phoenix) not just the rabbits are a part of the
>warning. As above prairie dogs, rodents, and a few other critters. Cooking
>thoroughly is believed to make it safe.
>
>D
>
>-----Original Message-----
>1.? September has an R in it (sure they are not confusing the do not eat
>oysters unless month has a R in it, although the "frozen north" probably has
>hard freezes in September and April... I grew up in Phx so we didn't
>
>2.? How recent is recent?? in 1977, there were 2 HS students in Ash Fork AZ,
>out shooting rabbits, and got plague...and the warnings about plague &
>rabbits is still out there? (what works against fleas?) (Does cooking?
>destroy the plague organism?)
>
>And how scary is it to think about it still being around, was it prevalent
>world wide or brought by the European settlers...
>
>?
>
>Arianwen ferch Arthur
>
>"Outside of a dog a book is man's best friend. And inside of a dog it's too
>dark to read." G. Marx
>
>--- On Sat, 9/8/12, sca-cooks-request at lists.ansteorra.org
><sca-cooks-request at lists.ansteorra.org> wrote:
>...? Settlers have a story about not eating or killing rabbit unless
>the month had an R in it.? I haven't been able to find a credible source
>for a positive moderately recent plague bunny source, but many with prairie
>dogs and squirrels.Aldyth
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>Message: 2
>Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 01:53:28 -0400
>From: Sharon Palmer <ranvaig at columbus.rr.com>
>To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
>Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] What happened to you Mr. and Mrs. Scrooge?
>Message-ID: <p06010200cc71de1c09ae@[10.0.1.112]>
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>>
>>It was the illustration of a fairy tale, it seems our ancestors didn't
>>have any sensibility to these things.
>
>
>Fairy tales were not originally meant for children.
>
>Ranvaig
>
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>
>Message: 3
>Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 01:27:18 -0500
>From: "Terry Decker" <t.d.decker at att.net>
>To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
>Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] wild rabbit
>Message-ID: <34C71F98ED4045DEB99A29D3347CB35A at TerryPC>
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>Major plague outbreaks tend to be cyclic in long cycles.  The last big 
>outbreak began in Central Asia in the mid-19th Century and moved slowly 
>across Asia until it got transshipped to Oahu where the first case was 
>confirmed on Dec. 12, 1899.  On New Year's Eve, the city attempted a 
>controlled burn of several buildings in Chinatown and managed to burn the 
>entire enclave down (as graphically presented in Michener's Hawaii). 
>Obviously, cooking kills the plague and hopefully the fleas that spread it 
>around.  Whether one wants to eat it or not, that's another question.
>
>The plague went from Hawaii to San Francisco (or possibly from Asia to SF) 
>and became endemic in the American West.  Since then, it has been slowly 
>moving eastward.
>
>Seventy-six species of mammals are known to carry plague.  Fortunately, not 
>all of the species of fleas that infest them like human hosts.  The last rat 
>(their fleas love us) carried plague in the US was in 1924-25 (IIRC). 
>Roughly 10 people per year contract bubonic plague.
>
>The conditions that appear to trigger major outbreaks are drops in predation 
>with food and weather that promote increasing rodent populations followed by 
>a drop in food supply that moves the rodents into greater contact with man. 
>It also takes a small but presistent population of infected animals to 
>infect the greater population with a short enough time between the infection 
>and the contact with people, that you don't kill off most of the carrying 
>rodents.  Looking at the uptick in hantavirus infections, the conditions for 
>an outbreak of plague may be here.
>
>Bear
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>
>2. How recent is recent? in 1977, there were 2 HS students in Ash Fork AZ, 
>out shooting rabbits, and got plague...and the warnings about plague & 
>rabbits is still out there (what works against fleas?) (Does cooking destroy 
>the plague organism?)
>
>And how scary is it to think about it still being around, was it prevalent 
>world wide or brought by the European settlers...
>
>
>
>Arianwen ferch Arthur
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 4
>Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 01:37:56 -0500
>From: "Terry Decker" <t.d.decker at att.net>
>To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
>Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] wild rabbit
>Message-ID: <312CDB04FBEF426A936CED607A499D53 at TerryPC>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>	reply-type=original
>
>Sierra Jane Downing, age 7, Denver, CO, was reported diagnosed as having 
>bubonic plague, 6 Sept. 2012.
>
>The CDC also reported that the number of diagnosed cases has declined and 
>over the past 10 years, they have seen an average of five cases per year. 
>Also reported was the eastern movement of the disease appears to be holding 
>along the 100th Meridian.  Since that was where it was about 20 years ago, 
>maybe we have found it's maximum range in the US.
>
>Bear
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>
>I have only heard of the plague from 1992. A bunch of prairie dogs died off
>and it was found that they had the plague through the fleas. The plague and
>tu????, transference is usually when one is skinning and handling the animal
>without gloves. Wear gloves when checking your kill and dressing it. Also,
>(brother lives south of Phoenix) not just the rabbits are a part of the
>warning. As above prairie dogs, rodents, and a few other critters. Cooking
>thoroughly is believed to make it safe.
>
>D
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 5
>Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 08:19:30 -0500
>From: "otsisto" <otsisto at socket.net>
>To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
>Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] wild rabbit
>Message-ID: <IDEHICPIJOEBPADHEOGPOEHJCNAB.otsisto at socket.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
>Sorry I wasn't clear, I was being Arizona specific. I was wanting to know
>about the Ash Fork incident in 1977 that was spoken of.  I know about the
>girl in Colorado.
>D
>
>-----Original Message-----
>Sierra Jane Downing, age 7, Denver, CO, was reported diagnosed as having
>bubonic plague, 6 Sept. 2012.
>
>The CDC also reported that the number of diagnosed cases has declined and
>over the past 10 years, they have seen an average of five cases per year.
>Also reported was the eastern movement of the disease appears to be holding
>along the 100th Meridian.  Since that was where it was about 20 years ago,
>maybe we have found it's maximum range in the US.
>
>Bear
>----- Original Message -----
>I have only heard of the plague from 1992. A bunch of prairie dogs died off
>and it was found that they had the plague through the fleas. The plague and
>tu????, transference is usually when one is skinning and handling the animal
>without gloves. Wear gloves when checking your kill and dressing it.
>Also,(brother lives south of Phoenix) not just the rabbits are a part of the
>warning. As above prairie dogs, rodents, and a few other critters. Cooking
>thoroughly is believed to make it safe.
>
>D
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 11:43:40 -0500
>From: Stefan li Rous <StefanliRous at austin.rr.com>
>To: SCA-Cooks maillist SCA-Cooks <SCA-Cooks at Ansteorra.org>
>Subject: [Sca-cooks] The original fairy tales
>Message-ID: <F41833BF-C042-4F2F-A2C0-A0C4BF6E81E2 at austin.rr.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Anyone have any more details or references on these earlier fairy tales. I had heard some of this before, and even had some of the commentary in the Florilegium until the author asked that her messages be removed. :-(
>
>Stefan
>
>What I have left on the original fairy tales is here:
>fairy-tales-msg (5K) 11/16/99 Period fairy tales and nursery rhymes.
>http://www.florilegium.org/files/PERFORMANCE-ARTS/fairy-tales-msg.html
>
><<< I think it was that they were not overly protective, overly sensitive and
>being politically correct hadn't been invented yet. In one of the older
>versions of Cinderella you have the stepmother, in order to get the
>daughters' feet to fit the shoe, one had her big toe cut off and the other
>the heel. Which is interesting, because this would mean that the slipper was
>not clear/see through because the blood was noticed coming out of the shoe
>and not seen through the shoe. If you can find the oldest fairy tales and
>read them then read the same stores written through time you will see how
>they progress from horror/scary, sometimes gory to fluffy bunny/magic
>unicorn style.
>
>D >>>
>--------
>THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
>   Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
>http://www.linkedin.com/in/marksharris
>**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****
>
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>Message: 7
>Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 11:51:24 -0500
>From: Crandall <4fooles.matters at gmail.com>
>To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
>Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] wild rabbit
>Message-ID:
>	<CAE6SAR2mrPNL6+9hEzy8Lt03Z_E7xV4pRGO6d35bch11D_9-9Q at mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
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>In addition, if you are "living off the land" and exposing yourself to
>various vermin who carry plague, there is a preventative vaccine that you
>can get for it.
>While in the Army at Ft. Benning, it was one of the many inoculations given
>for those units who were on alert status for overseas duty.
>
>Crandalll, Olde Phart
>
>On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 8:19 AM, otsisto <otsisto at socket.net> wrote:
>
>> Sorry I wasn't clear, I was being Arizona specific. I was wanting to know
>> about the Ash Fork incident in 1977 that was spoken of.  I know about the
>> girl in Colorado.
>> D
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Sierra Jane Downing, age 7, Denver, CO, was reported diagnosed as having
>> bubonic plague, 6 Sept. 2012.
>>
>> The CDC also reported that the number of diagnosed cases has declined and
>> over the past 10 years, they have seen an average of five cases per year.
>> Also reported was the eastern movement of the disease appears to be holding
>> along the 100th Meridian.  Since that was where it was about 20 years ago,
>> maybe we have found it's maximum range in the US.
>>
>> Bear
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> I have only heard of the plague from 1992. A bunch of prairie dogs died off
>> and it was found that they had the plague through the fleas. The plague and
>> tu????, transference is usually when one is skinning and handling the
>> animal
>> without gloves. Wear gloves when checking your kill and dressing it.
>> Also,(brother lives south of Phoenix) not just the rabbits are a part of
>> the
>> warning. As above prairie dogs, rodents, and a few other critters. Cooking
>> thoroughly is believed to make it safe.
>>
>> D
>>
>>
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>-- 
>One's sense of honor is the only thing that does not grow old, and the last
>pleasure, when one is worn out with age, is not, as the poet said, making
>money, but having the respect of one's fellow men.
>-Thucydides
>When you face a liar, look not first at the lie itself, but try hard to
>learn more of the liar and reason out just why he tells such a falsehood
>before you render judgment upon him. And if you find that liar is motivated
>by malice and spite, then render that judgment which causes his doom.
>
>
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>
>Message: 8
>Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 12:05:55 -0500
>From: "Terry Decker" <t.d.decker at att.net>
>To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
>Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] The original fairy tales
>Message-ID: <815C34D09DF84F709AE0B87E24C9FD8E at TerryPC>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>	reply-type=original
>
>Stefan,  give this site a try:  http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/folktexts.html . 
>D.L. Ashliman is a retired professor who still does research into folktales.
>
>Bear
>
>
>> Anyone have any more details or references on these earlier fairy tales. I 
>> had heard some of this before, and even had some of the commentary in the 
>> Florilegium until the author asked that her messages be removed. :-(
>>
>> Stefan
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