800s or 900s, just not in England. There is a little info on hops in this file in the PLANTS, HERBS AND SPICES section of the Florilegium: hops-msg (8K) 2/ 8/01 Use of hops in period. -- THLord Stefan li Rous Barony of Bryn Gwlad Kingdom of Ansteorra Mark S. Harris Austin, Texas stefan at texas.net **** See Stefan's Florilegium files at: http://www.florilegium.org ****