[Sca-cooks] Kitab al-Tabik vs Kitab al-Tabik?

[Jim and Andi]

Thank you everyone!

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Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Kitab al-Tabik vs Kitab al-Tabik?

As far as I know, kitab al-tabikh just means 'cookbook' and is used to describe many such books (to this day, a Syrian student of mine says). The two are different texts. Arberry's translation is of al Baghdadi's, a thirteenth century work, while Nasrallah's is of al-Warraq's, dating to the tenth century. 

Best

Giano
 


    Terry Decker <t.d.decker at att.net> schrieb am 4:10 Dienstag, 8.Dezember 2015:
 

 The original manuscript of Kitab al-tabikh is MS Ayasofya 3710 in the Süleymaniye Library.  A copy of the original produced on the orders of a Turkish sultan is MS Oriental 5099 in the British Library.  These texts have roughly 160 recipes each.

Later still, roughly 260 recipes were added to the original text and the work was retitled,  Kitab Wasf al-Atima al-Mutada.  Three copies of the Kitab Wasf al-Atima al-Mutada are known to exist, two in the Topkapi and the third apparently privately held in Turkey.  Arberry's translation is of this text.

In the late 15th Century, Muhammed ibn Mahmud Sirvani translated the Kitab into Turkish and added contemporary recipes.  I haven't been able to ascertain which version of the Kitab Sirvani translated or how many recipes were added.  With roughly 600 recipes, Nasrallah's translation is probably from Sirvani's text although I have no evidence to support this conclusion.

Bear

Can anyone explain in very small words what the difference is between the Kitab al-Tabikh translated by Arberry and published in Medieval Arab Cookery and the Kitab al-Tabikh translated by Nasrallah and published as Annals of the Caliph's Kitchens? I've read the intros twice each and I still can't parse it out. They're two different editions? Different manuscripts? I get that there are three separate manuscripts and one of them is Turkish with all the additions and that's not either of these, but then how are these two different from each other? It's so confusing.



Madhavi

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