[Scriptoris] Sable Crane or Thistle?

[Signora Mea Passavanti]

Personally, I don't think we will ever find the "right" answer, but I
however, agree with Catherine's viewpoint. It is going to depend on the
individual and what their motivation is... at least that is the case if
I were writing the award rec.

~Mea

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On Behalf Of Corbisier, Barbara L
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 12:58 PM
To: Scribes within Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
Subject: Re: [Scriptoris] Sable Crane or Thistle?

I've already checked in, but I feel I should explain my answer a bit
more. 

A person who paints charters and has painted many of them, but has no
idea of any differences 
between knotwork vs. vinework or where/when either of them developed,
can't tell the difference 
between a gothic or carolingian hand and/or doesn't care is a good Crane
candidate.  This individual 
isn't interested in learning how to do C&I, learning about the history
of it, the appropriate type of 
materials, etc., but simply wants to help the kingdom and does so by
painting charters.  Their skill 
may have improved, but that is a byproduct, not the main goal.

A person who paints charters and has looked in a book or two to find out
what colors are appropriate 
for a given style, knows what types of embellishments are appropriate,
i.e., red dots around 
knotwork letters, has taken a class or two on C&I topics, and has used
this knowledge on charters 
and has worked to improve his/her illumination skills is a better
Thistle candidate.  This individual 
wants to learn C&I and has tried to do some original calligraphy, an
illuminated capital, knotwork, 
etc., but may not have painted as many charters as the individual
described above.  

The key difference between the two is motivation and research.  The
Thistle candidate has done 
some research, while the Crane candidate hasn't.  The Crane candidate is
motivated by service, while 
the Thistle candidate is motivated by learning to do things "the period
way" and improvement of 
artistic skills. 

-Catherine Barbary

Hillary Greenslade <hillaryrg at yahoo.com> said:

> For grins, I ran quick check through the current posted Order of
Precidence: 
> 
> Sable Thistles with Categories in: 
> Brushwork  - 10
> Charter Painting - 1
> Illumination - 64
> Calligraphy - 37
> Calligraphy and Illumination - 39
> Graphic Arts - 10
> Artwork - 10
> Scribal Arts - 6
> Heraldic Arts - 14
> Cartography - 1
> Decorative Arts - 2
> 
> cheers, Hillary
> 
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