SR - Old subject

[Bob Dewart]

Please digress all you want.  I found it very pleasant.

Gilli

-----Original Message-----
From: Timothy A. McDaniel <tmcd at crl.com>
To: southern at Ansteorra.ORG <southern at Ansteorra.ORG>
Date: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: SR - Old subject


>On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, keyna wrote:
>> So I see that we are back at slamming people again for things that
>> some folks would like to see done.
>
>Well, not exactly.  Nobody questions that insignia is generally
>useful; it seems to be more a question of the challenge and
>personalities -- not the goal, but the means.
>
>> Without insignia how would we know a baron from a king?
>
>Duke Vissivald in the East once had a coronet made.  It was plain; it
>had no strawberry leaves or projections at all.  Someone asked him,
>"How on Earth is anyone to know that you're a duke?".  He replied,
>"If we meet in the hall, we will be introduced.  If we meet on the
>field, they will know soon enough.".
>
>Henry II, first Plantagenet king of England, was noted for abandoning
>some of the ceremonial crown wearings, traditionally held at the great
>feasts (Easter, Christmas, Michaelmas?  I could check if anyone
>cared).  The "embattled coronet = earl, strawberry leaves = duke, et
>cetera" system was codified only in England after our period
>(Restoration of Charles II comes to mind; again, I could check).  Some
>honors had defined insignia -- the Garter collar was codified by Henry
>VIII, if memory serves -- but many did not.  On the other hand, with
>tenures of many years you got used to what the king looked like, and
>people given stuff could often point to the stuff or the perks to
>prove their claim.
>
>That scribes, illuminors, and insignia-makers are about the only
>craftspeople in the SCA expected to regularly donate materials and
>time is a little depressing to me (and I wot it's quite depressing to
>them!).  I think the printed charters -- promissory notes, in a sense
>-- used in Ansteorra are a good thing, and since period charters were
>often not illuminated, there's something to be said for not coloring
>them.  I think it's good that the Steppes local awards are only
>danglies and not charters.  My AoA was spur-of-the-moment; I got no
>charter, but only a kind of incuse coin from the king of the Middle.
>
>I wonder occasionally if we could move away some from the standard SCA
>model, saving work while not moving further from period (or even
>getting closer to period) AND while not disappointing recipients.
>
>But I digress.
>
>Daniel de Lincolia
>-- 
>Tim McDaniel (home); Reply-To: tmcd at crl.com; 
>if that fail, tmcd at austin.ibm.com is my work address.


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