[Southern] Heraldic Submisions and issues

Tue Jul 28 18:09:37 PDT 2009

Philippe, I think you've handled this individual correctly and well.  
I'm copying the Southern Regional seneschal on my reply, as I think it's 
appropriate, since Amerinda is out of the country on vacation.  Emmeline 
will also be leaving shortly, but I think it needs to go up the line.

If he continues to write to you instead of Amerinda as you've directed, 
simply forward his emails on to Amerinda, us and Emmeline, without 
responding.

Thanks,
Radegund

thomas taggart wrote:
> Aonghas,
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> When this matter is resolved I will be happy to continue my 
> consultation with you.  Because you have consulted a lawyer  I must 
> now turn this entire matter over to our Seneschal as she is the legal 
> representative of the group.  I will be unable to assist you in any 
> further capacity until this is resolved.  Please direct all questions 
> and inquiries to Amerinda di Praga (Jenice Amber Dean) deanje at saic.com 
> <mailto:deanje at saic.com> whos contact informaion is in the news letter 
> and at www.bjornsborg.org <http://www.bjornsborg.org>
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> Philippe
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> *From:* Brett Genda <brett.genda at lonebullinternational.com>
> *To:* thomas taggart <tetaggart70 at yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, July 27, 2009 11:53:21 AM
> *Subject:* RE: Heraldic Submisions and issues
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> Before I print new copies did that work to document or since it is a 
> templar house does the rules in regard to religion apply?
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> Oh I had my lawyer look over the bylaws you sent me that does not 
> cover money taken for a service not rendered.
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> Aonghas
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> *From:* thomas taggart [mailto:tetaggart70 at yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:53 PM
> *To:* Brett Genda
> *Cc:* Amerinda di Praga; Radegund of Tours; Godwyn Alfricson
> *Subject:* Heraldic Submisions and issues
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> Aonghas,
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> Let me first start by apologizing if you feel that you have been 
> mislead or taken advantage of in any way. I think there might have 
> been a miscommunication or perhaps lack of expectations set at the 
> beginning of the submission process. 
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> The Heralds office is one of administration.  They are responsible for 
> forwarding submissions of name and device registrations to the college 
> of heralds.  They act as consultants when able since not all people 
> filling these administrative positions have the knowledge in the 
> Heraldic Arts.  It is not a requirement for the job.
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> It seems from the correspondence that you sent me, between Robert (our 
> former herald) and yourself that there was a miscommunication and the 
> addition of Mac to your name was just a suggestion that was intended 
> to help with your research and resubmission of your name, just as we 
> discussed other alternatives at this past fighter practice. The 
> primary concern was not the addition of Mac but the mixing of English 
> and Gaelic languages which was not done in period and there for would 
> not pass the college of heralds. At this point it would go back to the 
> submitter, to make the necessary changes and then resubmit the forms 
> and any documentation needed to support the changes as set forth in 
> the Administrative Handbook of the College of Arms of the Society for 
> Creative Anachronism, Inc. January 24, 2009: 
> <http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/admin.html#IV.A>
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> /Responsibility for Procedural Requirements - The submitter bears the 
> primary responsibility for meeting procedural requirements, but can 
> and should be advised by heraldic officers at the local level and above./
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> / /
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> If this is done within one year from the original submission then 
> there is no additional charge for resubmissions:
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> /Payment of Fees - No submission shall be considered for registration 
> until all fees associated with the submission have been paid. Such 
> fees are set by kingdom law and policy as required to cover the costs 
> of processing submissions. However, no fee may be charged for appeals, 
> submission of alternate forms for standard titles or designations, 
> proposed protection for mundane items, corrections of spelling or 
> blazon, filing of heraldic wills, blanket letters of permission to 
> conflict, release of items, or transfer of items from one owner to 
> another (including those which execute a heraldic will). Likewise no 
> fees may be charged for resubmissions or changes of holding name when 
> they are made within a year of the most recent notification of return. 
> The Laurel Office currently charges no fee for resubmissions. Kingdoms 
> may charge appropriate fees for resubmissions not made in a timely 
> manner after appropriate advance notification of this policy in the 
> kingdom newsletter or by individual letters to submitters./
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> I do hope this clears up the misunderstanding and does not make you 
> feel that there is some sort of scam going on in the barony as all 
> rules are outlined on the Kingdom and Society web pages for your 
> convenience.
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> I am unsure of any other actions that you have taken after you were 
> informed of the rejection of the submission with the previous herald. 
> If there were please let me know and I can look into that as well.
>
> As to the submissions that you sent to me, there are a few issue with 
> them that need to be corrected before we can send them in to the 
> Kingdom so they are not immediately rejected and returned to you.  The 
> first and primary one is that there has been no correction made to 
> name that was previously discussed, both by Robert from his email and 
> by me at the last fighter practice where we talked in person about 
> several modifications.
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> There are a few spaces that are blank on the name submission you sent 
> me.  One of the boxes about the acceptance to name changes need to be 
> marked either some changes or no changes, that is up to you. I would 
> recommend allowing minor changes.  Keep in mind this will not change 
> what people call you just how it is recorded.  Also, the box allowing 
> the creation of a holding name needs to be marked.  This allows the 
> device to continue through the process if there is a problem with the 
> name.  This is highly encouraged as if you do not indicate that this 
> is alright then all submissions would be returned, but this is your 
> choice. Last, the name documentation needs to be filled in the sources 
> of your documentation and a brief description of the construction 
> /i.e.  Thomas MacTaggart. – Thomas taken from the St. Gabriel web site 
> as an accepted name dating to the 9^th century.  MacTaggart 
> Translation of son of a priest from …. Ect/
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> This is what is primarily looked at when the names are processed since 
> there are so many submissions to Laurel.  All the actual documentation 
> does need to be printed out and sent with the submission as well. 
> Please not that it is not any herald’s responsibility to do research 
> for the submitter; we work as consultants only.
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> Also I did not receive the file for your device submission if you 
> could resend that, it would be great.
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> Your next steps are to make the appropriate changes to the submission 
> you sent me, compile the appropriate supporting documentation.  We can 
> then review it in person or I will be happy to look at it via email as 
> well if that is easier.  We will need 3 copies of the name and 
> documentation to send on up. 
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> I will be looking into the funds that you paid to the barony and when 
> the submission was sent to laurel.  If it was not then I will find out 
> about the funds as well. Please be advised that this could take some 
> time as we are all dealing with volunteers that have differing 
> schedules.  I would invite you to join us the first Monday of every 
> month for the populace meeting where many of these issues can be taken 
> care of as the officers involved in this are in attendance.  Times and 
> directions are located on the Baronial web site at www.bjornsborg.org 
> <http://www.bjornsborg.org/>
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> I hope this has cleared some questions up for you and given you a 
> direction in how to proceed. I will be looking forward to your revised 
> submissions so that we can move forward.  I have added some links that 
> you might find helpful.
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> RULES FOR SUBMISSIONS of the College of Arms of the Society for 
> Creative Anachronism, Inc. March 28, 2004, Updated April 2, 2008 
> <http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/rfs.html>
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> College of Heralds Kingdom of Ansteorra <http://herald.ansteorra.org/>
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> Philippe
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