Dieterich. you wrote: >>Actually, not a one of Tempios proxies opinions were heard at the Tempio discussion; with the exception of myself and two others, our entire shire was busy with feast, gate, the list or the Crown at that event and so never got the chance to state their views. I answer. The meeting was held where feast was held. I saw at least 45 people there from YOUR Shire. Not many were called upon to speak their views. Then You gave three views of how the bounders were to be drawn, which one did we vote on. >>As for the meetings not accomplishing anything, I think perhaps you may be wrong... we learned a *great* deal at the Tempio meeting and came up with some really neat ideas at the FG meeting too. Have any of the ideas been published. NO! >>You should go to the Shadowlands event... you might like it and your opinions will certainly be heard. If you can't go due to scheduling with work or commitments with your children, why don't you send a proxy along with your feelings therein. Dieterich Because my proxy would be throwen away, by someone as soon my name was read. It has happened before. There is no way that everyone that could not or would not go to the meetings send proxies. Thats what I mean when I say proxies donot count in things. It's all a numbers games for the people that are pushing for the princeapality issue. Trying to sell the idea. Lord Talon of Blackoak ============================================================================ Go to http://lists.ansteorra.org/lists.html to perform mailing list tasks.