[Stargate] Bran's answer to the Question of the Dates

[Alden Drake]

Very cool information!  Thank you Annes for posting it. :)

BTW - did we miss West Side Lunch Bunch yesterday (second Wednesday)?  I 
didn't see a posting for it.  Can we reschedule for June 20?

Alden


Darlene Vandever wrote:
> Here is Bran's explaination of the beginning of our Barony. It **does** look
> like we get to have **2** anniversary celebrations!! Woo-Hoo!!!
> Annes
> Picking out my party hats now!
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: bran at pdq.net <bran at pdq.net>
> Date: Jun 14, 2007 9:51 AM
> Subject: Re: Yes?
> To: Darlene Vandever <annescvb at gmail.com>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Dear!
>
> I do miss you and I miss Stargate (I've recently attended a West Side Lunch,
> and plan to try it again this month).
>
> Sindra & I sold the house in the Heights last winter, and moved to "the
> 'burbs." (Near 290 & the beltway). Our new subdivision has a castle shaped
> community center . . .
> If I come to an event, I'll have to come naked . . . most of my costumes are
> rather the worse for wear.
>
> The apparent discrepancy that you've noted in the OP is actually exactly as
> you described (and just plain weird by today's processes).
>
> When Stargate was founded in '72, it came into existence as a barony. The
> policy then was that the first branch in a state was founded as a barony
> (even though no one in the group had ever attended any SCA event or really
> had a very good idea of what happened there).
>
> We submitted Myrrdin's name as our baron, and were advised by Atenveldt that
> our coronet was held by the Crown until they could invest a baron in
> Stargate.
>
> So, we functioned for a year with Myrrdin as Seneschal and virtual baron
> until he was invested.
>
> Atenveldt in 1972 was huge (geographically), covering the southern US from
> the Arizona/California boarder to the Atlantic Coast. At the time, the Aten
> Crown and officers had too few resources to administer their holdings
> effectively (and not a whole lot of interest in doing so).
>
> As a consequence, Stargate (and Steppes, Bjornsborg, Bryn Gwlad, et al.) we
> free to develop a unique set of traditions and practice.
>
> One of the unique features of the time was that Michael of Moria (and a
> couple other knights) were empowered by the Aten Crown to travel their
> Kingdom granting recognition, rank and title to citizens of Atenveldt and
> reporting these elevations to the Aten Crown and Aten Herald later. This
> resulted in a number of entries in the OP that still give the Hearld's
> Office ulcers.
>
> I think I miss this . . . :~)
>
> Love!
> Bran
>
>
> *On Thu Jun 14 8:55 , 'Darlene Vandever' sent:
> *
> *<<<<<<much snippage of personal history only of interest to Bran>>>>>>
>
> *
>
>  Here is the history question I wanted to ask you. I found the names of the
> nine founders of the barony. They were included in a Ballad I found in a
> 1977 Two Towers written by Diedre la Cleric. So that is good since you said
> you couldn't remember everyone. BTW, if you want to see them, here is a
> website that I've been working on.
> *http://stargatehistorian.tripod.com/*<http://stargatehistorian.tripod.com/>
>  If you know anything about tripod, you know to have your pop-up blocker on.
> While the barony has its own website, I don't know how to tell the vscribe
> what to build for my pages and she doesn't have the time to sit down with me
> over it. So I went to the free site. Later, I'm going to look into buying
> more space and getting rid of the advertising.
>  Anyway, I've found a certain discrepancy in dates that I hope you can shed
> some light upon.
>  In this 1977 issue of the Two Towers where I found the Ballad with the
> names of the founders, the date of the origin of the Barony is given as Oct.
> 1, 1972. This coincides with the date given to me by Shanahan and also is
> collaborated with the new Kingdom Interactive OP as the date the barony
> began.
>  So far so good. Our 35th anniversary is this year.
>  BUT...When I looked up Myrrdin ap Rhys in the same OP it says
> "Stargate-10/17/73 to 3/5/77. According to these dates, Myrrdin became
> "officially" baron a year and 16 days after the inception of the group.
>  Do you have any memory of this? There has been a lively debate on the
> Stargate list between myself and Michael Silverhands concerning how such a
> discrepancy may have come about. He seemed to be thinking that Myrrdin's
> entry in the OP must be in error. That surely the BoD wouldn't form a group
> without naming a Baron to preside over it.
>  My arguement is that the SCA was only 6 years old itself at the time (was
> there even a BoD in existence then?) and that the entries are quite possibly
> correct. That Myrrdin wasn't elevated to Baron for a year because the Crown
> of Atenveldt probably couldn't get to Stargate any faster than that to hold
> an "official" elevation. My thought is that he probably had the duties and
> was an "unofficial" baron (since all groups were baronies at the time) and
> then was made official when a Crown had the time, money and energy to drive
> all the way from Tucson to Houston.
>  So, my dear friend, can you shed any light on this issue? I'm holding out
> that we can hold 2 anniversary celebrations back to back. This year (we
> would celebrate it at Yule) we celebrate the founding of the barony then
> next year (probably at Yule again) we would celebrate the founding of the
> Baronial line. Any excuse for a party...I haven't changed all THAT much!! I
> hope you can.
>  Please consider trying to make a couple of the local meetings. Like it or
> not, oh modest one, you are a legend. We still need you. I still need you.
>  Until then,
> Love
> Annes
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