Greetings all<br>
<br>
Two weeks ago when we first announced an Interested Persons meeting,
Master Francois posted a reply which I answered privately. We
then had a small series of communications, the result of which is this
email publishing all of our correspondence. I hope you find it
helpful.<br>
<br>
Unless I am mistaken, the Ansteorran server strips attachments.
Therefore, I'm including the "thread" below, as well as posting it on
the Stargate-Discussion list (
<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Stargate-Discussion/">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Stargate-Discussion/</a> ) in MSWord form.<br>
<br>
In an attempt to make the discusson clear, Francois' words are in
green, my words are in violet and quoted language is in italics.
Even trying to copy and paste into this email has removed some of the
formating from the document. I hope I've made all the necessary
corrections. If your email does not support formating and/or
colors, and you are interested, please check out the file uploaded on
Stargate-Discussion.<br>
<br>
Warm regards,<br>
ihon<br>
Baron of Stargate<br>
<br>
<h1 style="text-align: center;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: normal;">Off-list IP Meeting Thread between
Francois and ihon</span></h1>
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<h2><span class="gmailquote"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: normal;">hon to Francois – October 10</span></span></h2>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmailquote"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">On 10/10/05, </span></span><span class="st0"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Wendel</span></span><span class="gmailquote">
<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> Bordelon</span></span><span class="gmailquote"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> <<a href="mailto:rwbordelon@gmail.com" target="_blank">rwbordelon@gmail.com
</a>> wrote:</span></span><span class="q"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="border: medium none ; padding: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 51, 0);"><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Greetings unto the
electronically connect within the Barony, </span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="border: medium none ; padding: 0in;"><span class="gmailquote"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">On 10/10/05, <span style="">John Hirling</span> <<a href="mailto:jhirling@gmail.com" target="_blank">
jhirling@gmail.com</a>> wrote: </span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2" style="margin-left: 0in;"><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><br><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);">
Last Monday at Populace we experienced a wonderful, high energy brainstorming
meeting. Many good ideas were expressed, but even more importantly, many
people expressed their willingness to make those ideas reality.</span></span></i></p>
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<i>This is a wonderful idea! It has been a long
while since we had such a meeting. In the past such meetings were a great way
to get people involved and hear from those who were not able to regularly
attend meetings. They were usually planned out a month or more in
advanced and on a weekend so that as many people as possible could attend and
contribute. That does not seem to be the case this time and leads me to a
couple of questions: <br>
<br>
Why, if it was decided last week, are we just hearing about the meeting? </i></span></p>
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<span style="color: rgb(153, 51, 102);"><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);">I should have been more prompt in getting notice to
those who didn't attend Populace. </span> </span></span></p>
<p style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);" class="MsoNormal"><span class="q"><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></i></span></p>
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<p class="MsoBodyTextIndent" style="margin-left: 0in;"><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Why, is the meeting being scheduled against one of
the longest running and<br>
most active guilds the Barony has? (Thursday Dance)</span></i></p>
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<p style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);" class="MsoBodyText2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>
I wanted to 'strike while the iron was hot' and capitalize on the energy at
Populace. Thursday night was our only night available this week.
I'm not as certain as you seem to be that weekend meetings don't cut people out
as well. There was no conscious decision to put it against Thursday
dance. We'll not schedule against Thursday dance again except for an
absolute emergency.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoBodyTextIndent" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Why is the only notification via email? </span></p>
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Are you suggesting the
need for a phone tree? If you are, I think it is an excellent idea.
If you are not, please educate me what other methods you think I should have
used.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoBodyTextIndent" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">To solve the problems of the Barony it will take more than
just the few that can make a week night meeting that was announced at the last
minute. Perhaps the lack of planning and forethought is part of the
problem. </span></p>
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<p style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>
Your counsel is always
appreciated and I agree wholeheartedly that the Barony will benefit from more
than one meeting. This meeting is only part of a process that began at
June's business meeting, continued to last Monday's Populace Meeting. I'm
sure that you noticed that the four projects are only a meager beginning . . .
but they are a beginning. <br>
</span></p>
<p style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);" class="MsoNormal"><span class="q"><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></i></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="border: medium none ; padding: 0in;"><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">We've opened a Yahoo Group ( <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Stargate-Discussion" target="_blank">
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Stargate-Discussion</a>
) so that we can not only communicate but also upload/download files, add
links, take polls, keep a calendar, etc. It is not intended to be the Barony's
official mailing list. Please continue to use <a href="mailto:stargate@ansteorra.org" target="_blank">stargate@ansteorra.org</a>
for general postings. The notes from Populace have been uploaded.
If you are interested in any area of concern, but cannot attend,
please let us know. </span></i></p>
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<i><span style="color: green;">Yet another list? We get very little
discussion on this mailing list as it is and right now we have at least 3 lists
(stargate, hou-announce, coastal) that have announcements and notices for the
Baronial area. I believe that the Baronial web page has a calendar already,
polling can be done via email or at meetings, and of course, sharing useful
files and links are what web pages are designed for. I think the addition
of another list is only going to make the communication more scattered and
harder to participate in.</span></i></span></p>
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<p style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>
You may be correct. Hou-Announce is not a
discussion list. Coastal goes many places other than Stargate. We
talked about just using stargate@ansteorra but opted for the Yahoo group
because of the advantages over the mailing list. Time will tell.</span></p>
<p style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);" class="MsoNormal"><span class="q"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoBodyTextIndent" style="margin-left: 0in;"><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">I do hope that the Thursay gathering is well attended
and accomplishes good things. Please, plan and announce another meeting with a
bit more lead time so that the rest of us can participate next time.</span></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>
</span></i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(102, 0, 204);">Heard
loud and clear! Your comments and your input are always
appreciated. I do wish you had chosen to criticize us privately rather
than publicly. It's difficult for me to understand how publishing your
questions to the mailing list is helpful to us or to the Barony. <br>
<br>
<br>
--ihon<br>
</span></p>
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<h2><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: normal;">Francois to ihon – October 11</span></h2>
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<p class="MsoBodyText"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Greetings
Your Excellency,<br>
<br>
<reply cut to save space><br>
<br><span style="color: rgb(0, 51, 51);">
It is a shame that you decided to send the reply privately. The points
you brought forth were good and worth discussion.</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 51, 51);">
<br style="color: rgb(0, 51, 51);">
</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(102, 0, 204);"><br>
<i>>
...
I do wish you had chosen to<br>
<span class="q">> criticize us privately rather than publicly. </span><br>
</i></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><br style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);">
<span style="color: rgb(0, 51, 0);">I thought I was providing discussion on a process
that I feel is broken. The criticism was directed at how the meeting time was
decided and also to address the larger problem with communication and meetings
announcements and assumptions of who will/can attend. If the decision about
the when and where of the meeting was solely yours then, yes, I guess it
was. I was not meaning to attack anyone rather the issues. If that
felt like a personal attack I apologize.<br>
</span><span style="color: rgb(153, 51, 102);"><br>
<span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);" class="q"><i>> It's difficult for me to understand how publishing your
questions to the mailing</i></span><i style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);"><br>
<span class="q">> list is helpful to us or to the Barony. </span><br>
</i></span><br>
<span style="color: green;">I am sorry to hear that. I thought one of the
goals was to start a discussion. Your private reply and announcement on the
list virtually guarantees that there will be not discussion. <br>
<br>
--Francois<br style="">
<br style="">
</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">ihon to Francois – October 13</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(153, 51, 102);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(153, 51, 102);"><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);">Did
you receive the mailing below? I've not received a reply.</span><br style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);"><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);">
--ihon</span><br style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);">
<br>
</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">---------- Forwarded
message ----------<br>
<span class="q">From: <span style="">John Hirling</span>
<<a href="mailto:jhirling@gmail.com" target="_blank">jhirling@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
<span class="q">Date: Oct 11, 2005 10:08 AM </span><br>
<span class="q">Subject: Re: [Stargate] IP (Interested Parties) Meeting --
Thursday 10/13 at 7:30 pm (Take Two)</span><span class="gmailquote"></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="q"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">To: Wendel Bordelon <<a href="mailto:rwbordelon@gmail.com" target="_blank">rwbordelon@gmail.com</a>></span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">
<br>
<br style="">
<br style="">
</span></p>
<p style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);" class="MsoNormal"><span class="q"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Greetings Master Francois </span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>
<br>
<span class="q">Am I to understand that you desire and request that I post
both my response to you as well as this email and reply publicly in hopes
that some good will come of a discussion of your concerns?</span><br>
<br>
<span class="q">--ihon</span></span></p>
<p style="color: rgb(102, 0, 204);" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmailquote"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></span></p>
<h1><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: normal;">Francois to ihon – October 15</span></h1>
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<p style="color: rgb(0, 51, 0);" class="MsoBodyText"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Unto His
Excellency Baron Ihon,<br>
<br>
I ask that you forgive this tarty reply. The class I was teaching this
last week required many extra hours of study and attention than I must usually
apply. This is the first opportunity I have had to deal with
"non-work" related things. <br>
<br>
I was disappointed that the discussion was not continued publicly. If you
wish to post our exchange please feel free. <br>
<br>
--Francois</span></p>
<p style="color: rgb(0, 51, 0);" class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmailquote"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></span></p>
<br>
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