ST - Re: ES - flagpole Hill

Fri Apr 20 09:54:59 PDT 2001

Thanks for the update, lady.  On a couple of notes:

We don't need permission to use the park.  It is public access, and our 
activity doesn't need any permits.  Asking permission implies that we think 
we may have permission denied, which leads folks to think that maybe there's 
something wrong or unsafe about what we do.  We have a right to use public 
parks - they belong to us.

Similar note for police.  Police will see us, people will see us.  There 
have been funny incidents in the hoary past, but in general the police know 
about us now.  The local police have stopped at the park during Wednesday's 
practice and talked to the participants, and are aware that this is a 
recreational activity.

For the other concerns - I would recommend taking a look at the park.  We 
don't need the pavilion, though it would be nice to have (or at least part 
of it).  If we generally can't get the pavilion, we can put up shade flys.

If we are at a park that is well-maintained, we will always find that it is 
also well used.  In order to have good bathrooms, we need a well-maintained 
park.  Therefore, we will either put up with poor maintenance, or with more 
people.  Besides, I thought some of us *wanted* more opportunities for 
Hospitaling?

I will go by the park this Sunday, prior to heading over to the joint 
practice at the Hill, to get a better feel for how busy the park is on 
Sundays.

If well-maintained parks really *are* too crowded to use, perhaps we could 
move practice to a weeknight.  That would also alleviate the problem of 
folks going to events and not being able to attend.  And for the 
travel-ready, that would give us all Sunday practice at Randol Mill in 
Elfsea, and a weeknight practice somewhere in Steppes, as well as Duncan's 
practice during the week.

Anyway, thanks for the input.  It's really appreciated.

Dux

>From: "Annette Brauer" <mabrauer at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: steppes at ansteorra.org
>To: steppes at ansteorra.org
>Subject: Re: ST - Re: ES - flagpole Hill
>Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:23:43 -0500
>
>Dux,
>
>Just to let you know this was brought up at the populace meeting last 
>night.
>  Since this is near and dear to my heart and Richard couldn't be there I
>spoke for him.
>
>The one thing he hates is having to get out of his chair and crawl, yes
>folks crawl, on a nasty porta potty floor.
>
>I have kept silent on this matter until now.  Many good points and concerns
>were brought up at the meeting last night.
>
>One thing is has the city of Carrollton to make sure that it is ok to hold
>practice there?  Anyone contacted the liaison for the police department to
>make sure they understand that we are not beating each other up (well we 
>are
>but ya know what I mean)
>
>Marguerite who uses this park on a regular basis said that on Sunday's the
>park is quite busy.  Is there enough parking to accommodate everyone?
>
>What about the neighborhood people?  How will they feel about us sharing
>their space on Sunday.  Will they make it hard for us to use the park?
>
>If fighter practice grows is there enough space to have several people
>practicing at the same time?  What about shade.  The pavilion there is used
>a lot, there is no guarantee that it will be available.  Is there enough
>space to hold joint fighter practices?
>
>Another concern is easy access from the interstates.
>
>Richard mentioned when I got home that there is a baseball field across the
>street from the park, but again there is no guarantee that it will be
>available when needed.
>
>While I don't think that everyone is against moving from Flag Pole Hill
>there are concerns about a new location and how people react to what we are
>doing.
>
>After hearing some of the concerns about the new park, I asked for
>volunteers to look for other parks that we might use.
>
>Mary Elizabeth
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "Mordock von Rugen" <mordockvonrugen at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: steppes at ansteorra.org
>To: steppes at ansteorra.org
>Subject: Re: ST - Re: ES - flagpole Hill
>Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:37:37 -0500
>
>
>The most important items:
>a working bathroom that is not 1/4 mile away uphill, that is kept clean, 
>and
>doesn't have a peephole cut out for perverts to get their jollies through;
>and flat ground so that folks in wheelchairs don't go rolling off downhill
>when they try to fight.
>
>To properly understand those, one needs to be aware that we have a fighter
>in a wheelchair who is either a knight-level fighter, or very close to it,
>who doesn't come to Sunday practice because the effort just to go to the
>bathroom robs him of the energy to fight.  Then, too, we have an Archery
>Marshal in Elfsea who is also in a (motorized) wheelchair, who comes out 
>for
>our joint practices.  That steeply-sloped ground can be pretty hard for him
>to get around on, as well.
>
>Dux
>
>>From: ylwrose2 at juno.com
>>Reply-To: steppes at ansteorra.org
>>To: steppes at ansteorra.org
>>Subject: Re: ST - Re: ES - flagpole Hill
>>Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 05:55:16 -0500
>>
>>Good Gentles and Nobles of the Steppes:
>>
>>Yes, it is true.  The city did act.  The water is back on (it shoots
>>about six inches into the air now).  The benches have been repaired AND
>>painted, a very nice Steppes green :-)    The trees and brush were
>>cleared up to about three feet from the ground last fall, so there is no
>>place for people to hide and "do their thing" anymore.  Let's see, what
>>else was on the wish list?
>>
>>Lady Francesca Laviana Sansovino
>>
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Cairenn Day <cpenny at swbell.net>
>>  Date: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 11:47 PM
>> > Subject: ES - flagpole Hill
>> >
>> >
>> > >I talked to a lady in the park department, last week.. She called
>> > me back and told me that she had had the litter crew out at the hill
>>and  that
>> > they had cleaned up, with attention given to the areas around the
>>bushes,
>> > that the water has been turned back on and that the tables would be
>>replaced very
>> > soon.
>> > They will continue to clean up around the bushes.  I have her name and
>> > extension number, if we need to discuss other problems.  If the city
>>knows
>> > this area is in regular use they will give it more attention.  We
>>shouldn't move
>> > from the hill, just because of the conditions of the park.
>> > >       H.Ly. Cairenn of Dun CuRuadh
>> > >
>>
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