[Steppes] Names, Rules, Titles, Etc.

Tue Oct 15 15:38:32 PDT 2002

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From: CelticCauldron33 at aol.com [mailto:CelticCauldron33 at aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 5:32 PM
To: steppes at ansteorra.org
Subject: [Steppes] Names, Rules, Titles, Etc.

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In a message dated 10/15/02 5:15:13 PM Central Daylight Time,
CelticCauldron33 writes:

> Greetings to the list and to all that reign within,

Thank you all for emailing and discussing this personally with me.  I really
appreciate your kindness "and tolerance".  I am "new" and don't know all of
the rules.  However, I am not "blind" to some of the SCA criteria.  I have
been reading and talking to others and know others and have for several
years
now ... that participate in the SCA.  This is one of the reasons I am
"interested" in becoming a member.

Below , you will find an email that I sent to Lady Gerita Delmar.
I hope by reading this , you will all understand where I am coming from.

>
> Yes , indeed.  I am very aware of the "differences" of the different
> societies.
> I have been learning all about the SCA for several years now ... so I may
> be a "newbie" to the older members , but I am not a "novice" when it comes
> to the knowledge of what it is about.
> I will admit that I don't know all of the ranks and how to get there ...
or
> all of the "lingo" ... but I am very aware of the dress , food , etc.
> And ... I do want to thank you so much for your "polite" way of addressing
> the "name" issue within the SCA.
> After being told that I would be "chastisized" , I kind of got a bad taste
> in my mouth.
> And ... I am not trying to be difficult. Really , I'm not.  :)
> I just think this could have been said and addressed in a more "polite"
and
> "kind" way than it was.
> I just wasn't pleased with the thought of someone jumping down my throat
> about it or getting "chastisized" for using a title I have been using for
> several years now (Rain Dove) .... (with the exception of "Lady") -- which
> I have been using for over a year now.  I am sure you understand what I am
> mean here.  :)
>
> It would also be hurtful for me .... to "not" use the name Rain Dove.  I
> was given that name by someone very special and important to me .... and
it
> IS my persona.  :)
> So , what does a person do in that situation ?  This persona was during
> Medieval times .... or maybe even before.
> I do not have a "persona" for the SCA other than this one.
> I am a Warrioress , a fighter and defender , a person of "tribal" descent.
> I have had a past life experience that told me this information.  I have
> also had another past life experience , but I am not so sure it was during
> medieval time.  I was with a Priest.  A Druid.  A man that loved me very
> much ... and I was seperated from him by water.  We could not get to one
> another. I was extremely hurt over this.
> This is the only other experience I have had , but there was no name
> attached to it.
> So , with this in mind , what is your suggestion ?
> Do I just "wait" and see if another "persona" appears itself to me ?  Do I
> just wait and see if I am given a persona and/or a name by the powers that
> be for the Medieval time ?  What ?
> (Your suggestion and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated). :)
> If keeping the name Rain Dove will keep me from being able to join the SCA
> , then I suppose I will not be joining.  I can't just "name myself"
> something for the sake of being able to participate.  I don't work that
> way.
> So any suggestions would help.
>
> As for being "Lady" ... Rain Dove .....
> I understand the "titles" and the different ranks within the SCA and that
> it takes lots of work to get them .... etc. , etc. and .... while I will
be
> more than willing to "abide" by the SCA rules and by-laws associated with
> the titles .... I just didn't like the way I was approached about it ...
> and I don't feel that the name Rain Dove should deter my joining the SCA.
> The name really shouldn't matter.
>
> (I also wanted to make it clear that the word Lady means many things to
> many women .... and that the word is owned by no-one).
>
> Thanks again for your kindness , M'Lady.
>
> Blessed Be
> Priestess Rain Dove ^!^
>
>

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From: CelticCauldron33 at aol.com
Full-name: CelticCauldron33
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:15:13 EDT
Subject: Re: [Steppes] Re: Steppes digest, Vol 1 #578 - 14 msgs
To: hpockets at verizon.net
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In a message dated 10/15/02 3:03:18 PM Central Daylight Time,
hpockets at verizon.net writes:

> Greetings gentle Lady Rain Dove,
>
> I would delight in meeting you within the SCA, however, your use of your
> Pagan name will just not fly.  Not to worry - most of the rest of us have
> suffered this indignity as well.  I am Lady (as an HPS) StormDancer.
>
> Any time you enter a different society from your own, there will be
> differences - in food, in clothing, in lifestyle, in forms of address.  In
> the SCA, we dress in reproductions of clothing from our chosen 'lifetime',
> we do our best to eat foods prepared in Medieval style (where it doesn't
> ruin our health), and we use Medieval forms of address, although the
actual
> speech patterns elude most of the Society. The term 'lady' is generic,
> however to capitalize it is presumptuous before one has earned an Award of
> Arms. There are many titles in the SCA, most of them Medieval, some
> made-up.
> Whatever their provenance, they mean a great deal to those who have earned
> them within the SCA, which can take years to do.  For someone else to
> simply
> assume that mantle because they want to is hurtful, even if that someone
> legally carries that title elsewhere, as we do.
>
> As i said earlier, should you decide to join us, i would delight in
meeting
> you, and spending time with you.  Naming issues entirely aside.  But i do
> encourage you strongly to reconsider your position to save yourself
hassles
> and discomfort.
>
> be well,
> Lady StormDancer
> Lady Gerita Delmar
>
>
>

Greetings Lady Storm Dancer !

Yes , indeed.  I am very aware of the "differences" of the different
societies.
I have been learning all about the SCA for several years now ... so I may be
a "newbie" to the older members , but I am not a "novice" when it comes to
the knowledge of what it is about.
I will admit that I don't know all of the ranks and how to get there ... or
all of the "lingo" ... but I am very aware of the dress , food , etc.
And ... I do want to thank you so much for your "polite" way of addressing
the "name" issue within the SCA.
After being told that I would be "chastisized" , I kind of got a bad taste
in
my mouth.
And ... I am not trying to be difficult. Really , I'm not.  :)
I just think this could have been said and addressed in a more "polite" and
"kind" way than it was.
I just wasn't pleased with the thought of someone jumping down my throat
about it or getting "chastisized" for using a title I have been using for
several years now (Rain Dove) .... (with the exception of "Lady") -- which I
have been using for over a year now.  I am sure you understand what I am
mean
here.  :)

It would also be hurtful for me .... to "not" use the name Rain Dove.  I was
given that name by someone very special and important to me .... and it IS
my
persona.  :)
So , what does a person do in that situation ?  This persona was during
Medieval times .... or maybe even before.
I do not have a "persona" for the SCA other than this one.
I am a Warrioress , a fighter and defender , a person of "tribal" descent. I
have had a past life experience that told me this information.  I have also
had another past life experience , but I am not so sure it was during
medieval time.  I was with a Priest.  A Druid.  A man that loved me very
much
... and I was seperated by him by water.
This is the only other experience I have had but there was no name attached
to it.
So , with this in mind , what is your suggestion ?
Do I just "wait" and see if another "persona" appears itself to me ?  Do I
just wait and see if I am given a persona and/or a name by the powers that
be
for the Medieval time ?  What ?
(Your suggestion and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated). :)
If keeping the name Rain Dove will keep me from being able to join the SCA ,
then I suppose I will not be joining.  I can't just "name myself" something
for the sake of being able to participate.  I don't work that way.
So any suggestions would help.

As for being "Lady" ... Rain Dove .....
I understand the "titles" and the different ranks within the SCA and that it
takes lots of work to get them .... etc. , etc. and .... while I will be
more
than willing to "abide" by the SCA rules and by-laws associated with the
titles .... I just didn't like the way I was approached about it ... and I
don't feel that the name Rain Dove should deter my   joining the SCA. The
name shouldn't matter.

(I also wanted to make it clear that the word Lady means many things to many
women .... and that the word is owned by no-one).

Thanks again for your kindness , M'Lady.

Blessed Be
Lady Rain Dove ^!^

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