[Steppes] Plea for the SCA

[Tom Parr]

Greetings All,

Into this fray of hearldric things I go...

First I am a very outspoken person (some of you might know this)


first even at the last meeting for commintary I spouted out some very choice remakrs about a device, but and I say BUT, Timothy, Crandall and sevral other readjusted my words for the commintary to read somthing more like, "this is pictoral hearldry."


The point I am making is if you have a big mouth and can't make a good comment just have tactful people around to help refashion your comments.

When we have small meetings it is understood that some choice words might be said, but and I say BUT, that should stay there!

Thats about it,

Seamus O Dubhda
Persuviant Extronaire

Disclamer:  These are my thoughts or very possibly Trongdor's but I will stand behind them.


---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Chris Baran" <chris_baran at hotmail.com>
Reply-To: steppes at ansteorra.org
Date:  Thu, 24 Apr 2003 08:22:41 -0500

>Howdy!
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>I also have to disagree with Timothy on this.  When I was submitting my name
>and device I was sent a letter with a copy of all comments.  I don't know if
>it was intentional or not but they had also stuck in a copy of an e-mail
>with many personal exchanges that was extremely derogatory of a) my device
>and b) my name.  Strange, I never knew I submitted my things to be part of a
>personal critique.  Oddly enough the comments in the email were also
>erroneous since I had the documentation to back both my device and name up.
>
>Point here is, I know people can get tired of poor submissions or shoddy
>work but that is no reason to be rude to people.  You never know who is
>going to see your "handiwork".
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>>From: "chiara" <chiara at io.com>
>>Reply-To: steppes at ansteorra.org
>>To: <steppes at ansteorra.org>
>>Subject: Re: [Steppes] Plea for the SCA
>>Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:16:54 -0500
>>
>>I have to disagree Timothy.
>>
>>It does not take a genius to put words down in such a manner so that it is
>>not insulting. I doubt that what she is quoting was ever intended for the
>>maker to read. In fact when I was in the college it was NEVER intended for
>>the maker to read, that was in the 80's. I remember asking if they did and
>>I
>>was told that unless they subscribed to the publication, no they would
>>never
>>read this nor ever care enough to read it. There is a false comfort level
>>that has been there for years to comment without fear of retribution.
>>
>>Chiara
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Timothy Rayburn" <timothy at elfsea.net>
>>To: <steppes at ansteorra.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 5:27 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Steppes] Plea for the SCA
>>
>>
>>: >  I was looking online for some info on Heraldry when I stumbled across
>>some
>>: >old issues of the gazette and Ansteorran LOI online. I decided to check
>>it
>>: >out, being curious.
>>:
>>: Quite natural thing to do.
>>:
>>: > To my horror when I started reading, it was full of
>>: >insults and snide remarks, "Is this an axe or an oversize toothbrush",
>>"The
>>: >blazon calls this a falcon but it looks more like an obese
>>pigeon",remarks
>>: >in that vein.
>>:
>>: It is true that often these remarks are less than tactfully put.  And
>>while I appreciate your comments after this regarding people who are new
>>that might stumble along these comments, the College must be able to
>>comment.  They must be able to express their thoughts on a device without
>>concern for the feelings of the individuals involved.  Many people would be
>>just as upset with "The primary charge, which according to the blazon is a
>>Falcon, is unrecognizable as such, lacking the characteristics of a bird of
>>prey, we suggest return for redraw." as they would the quotes above.
>>:
>>: The commentary process at the College of Arms (Society Level) is kept
>>private for just the reasons we are facing here, that a submitter may get
>>upset.  But the Kingdoms who do internal commentary generally do not keep
>>it
>>secret because if they did, they would never train up new commenters.
>>:
>>: I would encourage tact in all communications, but I also suggest that
>>sometimes comments like this will happen because it is a training tool.
>>Also, I would note that commentary has gotten much better over the last
>>decade, there were times it was much more brazen.
>>:
>>: Timothy of Glastinbury
>>: Central Regional Herald, titled Eclipse Herald
>>:
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